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Offline Bachus

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Varranger and organs..
« on: May 14, 2018, 10:17:53 AM »

Does anyone know if Bemore organs (which supports exactly the same style brands as Varranger) has a Varranger inside?

Did anyone get Varranger to work inside a Wersi OAX organ?
The Wersi sonic sounds great as an organ but the style engine is outdated..


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Re: Varranger and organs..
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2018, 11:53:30 AM »
Bemore organs have developed specifics software that is not vArranger.
I have been contacted by the Bemore company and we had a collaboration together as they needed some help and advice to create ' the perfect ' arranger for their organ
Bemore organs have a nice design and original sampled instruments. more info on :
http://www.bemore-instruments.nl http://www.bemore-instruments.com http://www.bemore-instruments.de

Some users are using vArranger inside Wersi wing organs
https://www.varranger.com/vforum/index.php?topic=2482.0

This one is using vArranger inside OAS organs. The second screen is connected to the organ and display vArranger
https://www.facebook.com/vArranger/photos/a.658078951039429.1073741828.159026680944661/658078814372776/?type=3&permPage=1

Not sure about OAX, but it should be possible, as long as there is a Windows inside.

Some are using vArranger on their self created organ, or using 2 midi keyboards and a pedalboard.....

Many options for organ players and vArranger

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Re: Varranger and organs..
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2018, 01:50:30 PM »
Bemore organs have developed specifics software that is not vArranger.
I have been contacted by the Bemore company and we had a collaboration together as they needed some help and advice to create ' the perfect ' arranger for their organ
Bemore organs have a nice design and original sampled instruments. more info on :
http://www.bemore-instruments.nl http://www.bemore-instruments.com http://www.bemore-instruments.de

Some users are using vArranger inside Wersi wing organs
https://www.varranger.com/vforum/index.php?topic=2482.0

This one is using vArranger inside OAS organs. The second screen is connected to the organ and display vArranger
https://www.facebook.com/vArranger/photos/a.658078951039429.1073741828.159026680944661/658078814372776/?type=3&permPage=1

Not sure about OAX, but it should be possible, as long as there is a Windows inside.

Some are using vArranger on their self created organ, or using 2 midi keyboards and a pedalboard.....

Many options for organ players and vArranger

Thanks for the answer Dann... 

Seems noboddy fixed it to use the wersi style controlls to controll the Varranger
Which would add another level to this great instrument
Makes me even wonder why Wersi never comtacted you to sell the Varranger as part of the Wersi..

Just got my hands on a very nice microsoft touchscreen book..
So finally a reason to build a windows based arranger for me..
Sadly all my VST licenses are still on the Macbook.

Now just thinking what interface to create...
The only thing keeping me from selling my pa4x right now is the missing multipads, which o tend to use a lot...

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Re: Varranger and organs..
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2018, 02:08:09 PM »
Wersi buttons and sliders can maybe be used if they send midi data.
Windows does not allow 2 software to use the same midi device, so probably not easy to use the 2 software together
Maybe with midi ox... this is something to try

Don't sell your PA4X it is a great keyboard :)

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Re: Varranger and organs..
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2018, 02:43:53 PM »
Wersi buttons and sliders can maybe be used if they send midi data.
Windows does not allow 2 software to use the same midi device, so probably not easy to use the 2 software together
Maybe with midi ox... this is something to try

Don't sell your PA4X it is a great keyboard :)

I know the Pa4x is a great keyboard..
But i am becomming more and more an 88 key man..
And i want to cut back to to just a single keyboard..
Playing the upper keybed is becomming more and more tedious..
The only nice way to have 2 keybeds is in an organ position..just above eachother..

Still dont know what way to go..
But Varranger definately is a possible option..



Back om Wersi
The sliders all do send midi..
But it seems the style controlls don’t


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Re: Varranger and organs..
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2018, 03:03:48 PM »
try to close the wersi program
download midi ox and try to see all the incoming midi events... I think buttons sends midi, or pc keys??

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Re: Varranger and organs..
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2018, 03:07:51 PM »
Hello Dan, hello Bachus,

I managed to control vArranger with the buttons of my OAX-Sonic.
And previously also on my "Golden Louvre OAS Organ"

I did it with Midi-LoopBe and Midi-OX.
Now I can assign every vArranger-Function to every OAX-Button and Slider.

Midi-LoopBe is needed to create a virtual Midi-Device, because the Wersi-MidiDevice from the OAX-Panel can only be used once
for the OAX-system.
The virtual Midi, created with Midi-LoopBe, can than be merged together with the Wersi-Midi within MidiOX.
Wath I do is basically create a duplicate of the Wersi-Panel-Midi to feed vArranger.

vArranger is superb to install on Wersi-Organs.
Its just like i have a Wersi-OAS and a Wersi-OAX with all of the best Arrangers (Ketron, Yamaha, Korg and Roland) build in.
I also now have the ability to load more VST's, and to load all the fantastic Sounds from the vArrangerSynth on Upper and Lower-manuals.

Now that makes a lot of fun.

Best Regards,
Carlo
« Last Edit: May 14, 2018, 03:37:25 PM by Carlo »

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Re: Varranger and organs..
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2018, 03:19:12 PM »
Thank you Carlo for sharing your experience.
I personally like the LoopMidi software that allow you to create any virtual ports that you need.
It is very fast, stable and free
https://www.tobias-erichsen.de/software/loopmidi.html


What could be interesting is to see if you can get led feedback for the buttons by duplicating not only the wersi inputs but also the midi output that sends midi led feedback messages, and try to activate it on vArranger
If they have done it in a classic way, maybe it works too.....

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Re: Varranger and organs..
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2018, 03:51:00 PM »


Back om Wersi
The sliders all do send midi..
But it seems the style controlls don’t

Hello Bachus,

Every !!! button, and/or slider is sending Midi, and can be used to control vArranger.

I control the vArranger Style-parts with the Style-Buttons of OAS/OAX.
Therefore and first, i load a DummyStyle in OAS/OAX, so i get no mix of two Styles playing together.
The Sound-buttons can be used to select the vArranger-Soundcategories,
and the Drawbars are controlling the vArranger-PartVolumes.

Its just like vArranger is designed to use with Wersi  ;D ;D ;D
Me too, i wonder why there is no cooperation between Wersi and vArranger...

Regards (groeten),
Carlo


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Re: Varranger and organs..
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2018, 03:51:54 PM »

What could be interesting is to see if you can get led feedback for the buttons by duplicating not only the wersi inputs but also the midi output that sends midi led feedback messages, and try to activate it on vArranger
If they have done it in a classic way, maybe it works too.....

I will try that, Dan

Regards,
Carlo

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Re: Varranger and organs..
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2018, 04:32:15 PM »
Hello Dan, hello Bachus,

I managed to control vArranger with the buttons of my OAX-Sonic.
And previously also on my "Golden Louvre OAS Organ"

I did it with Midi-LoopBe and Midi-OX.
Now I can assign every vArranger-Function to every OAX-Button and Slider.

Midi-LoopBe is needed to create a virtual Midi-Device, because the Wersi-MidiDevice from the OAX-Panel can only be used once
for the OAX-system.
The virtual Midi, created with Midi-LoopBe, can than be merged together with the Wersi-Midi within MidiOX.
Wath I do is basically create a duplicate of the Wersi-Panel-Midi to feed vArranger.

vArranger is superb to install on Wersi-Organs.
Its just like i have a Wersi-OAS and a Wersi-OAX with all of the best Arrangers (Ketron, Yamaha, Korg and Roland) build in.
I also now have the ability to load more VST's, and to load all the fantastic Sounds from the vArrangerSynth on Upper and Lower-manuals.

Now that makes a lot of fun.

Best Regards,
Carlo

Thank you Carlo..

My question here was initiated by your post on synthzone in the first place
Now i have got my answer..

Looking forward to seeing a demo of all of this..
Sounds jist to good to be true..