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« on: August 22, 2019, 10:36:53 PM »
Hello,

Since the last update, I am working hard on adding many interesting new features for vArranger, that I will post here from time to time.

As some of you like to get the most recent additions and want to receive intermediate updates more frequently, I have created a new possibility to subscribe to the "in between" updates, for an annual amount of 50€

Subscription link, only for official vArranger Users :

SUBSCRIBE NOW !

This will also helps me to continue the hard work  !

Thank you !

Dan
« Last Edit: August 23, 2019, 12:52:01 PM by Dan »

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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2019, 10:41:34 PM »
The new Version 1.20 will contain :


- NEW ARRANGER ENGINE ! : A vast amount of work has been done to improve the transposition rules of the styles tracks.
Indeed, styles can be recorded and replayed in any key. (For example, a track can be recorded in Fm7#11 and replayed in Ab13, etc ....)
We precisely adjusted different rules for the chord tracks (as a pianist would play it), guitars (as a guitarist would play it), bass (as a bassist would play it), melodic phrases ...
Those new integrated and automated rules offer an even better playing experience with vArranger and very musical orchestrations !


- XF CHORD FORMAT SUPPORT : vArranger will display the XF format (YAMAHA) chords found in midifiles in the LYRICS and KARAOKE screens.
SONG CHORDS / EXPORT TO MIDIFILE : The chords presents in the grid in the SONG CHORDS screen will be exported in the midifile as XF chords events.


- CDG FORMAT SUPPORT (MP3+G) : vArranger can now display the karaoke CDG video associated to the audio song in the KARAOKE screen.
Usually 2 files are provided together with the same name in the same folder : MySong.MP3 and MySong.CDG
When you load the MP3 song in vArranger, you will have a surprise in the KARAOKE screen.

       


- OPTIONS / MASTER : The CHORD RECOGNITION VELOCITY THRESHOLD processing is now done BEFORE the MIDI IN GAIN stage.
This allows to get a better chord recognition, especially with a MIDI GUITAR.


- YAMAHA ARRANGERS IMPROVED SUPPORT : When playing a style in vArranger connected to your Yamaha XG / PSR / TRYOS / GENOS synth, it should sound now a lot better, especially with the correct INS file associated to the MIDI OUT.


- OPTIONS / ARABIC SCALE : Now works with Yamaha XG compatible synth too.


- SOUND EDIT / VELOCITY DEPTH : This allows to adjust the velocity slope of right and left tracks. A value of 64 means linear 1:1 slope. A value of 127 means the track will react 2 time more to the input velocity level. A value of 32 means the track will react 2 time less to the input velocity level.


- SOUND EDIT / VELOCITY OFFSET : This allows to add or subtract a constant value to the played velocity of right and left tracks. A value of 64 means no change. A value of 127 means the track will plays always at full velocity level (can be useful if you want to control the volume only with an expression pedal or a breath controller). A value of 54 means the track will react with the input velocity value less 20. (The negative offset is a new feature compared to the previous positive only velocity offset control)
The Velocity depth and offset adds a new level of expression. Some solo instruments can get more presence with a bit of positive offset, but, with a slower slope depth, you still have some dynamic control.


- SOUND EDIT / EQUALIZER : We have added a high quality 2 BANDS SHELVING EQ on EACH TRACK to the vArranger Software Synthesizer !
You can boost or cut (+/- 18dB !) the BASS or the TREBLE of the variable frequencies (20/20KHz)
Note : The EQ Values included in Yamaha styles and OTS are automatically imported
EQ settings are saved with the styles and the sound
The vArranger EQ controls can also change the tracks EQ of an XG synth or Yamaha arranger connected to vArranger

       


- AKAI APC MINI SUPPORT with LED FEEDBACK.


- The SONG VOLUME fader for AUDIO SONGS (MP3...) is now logarithmic and not linear, to follow the volume perception of the human ear.


- GENOS style compatibility improved, especially with our new SOUNDBANK#2  NOW AVAILABLE !
You can hear a demo of the Genos styles playing with the SOUNDBANK https://www.varranger.com/audio/genos.mp3
You need at least 6GB free of RAM to load this new bank.
With this soundbank, it is really suggested, to try the 4 OTS provided with each style. See the next point
Price of the bank is 199€ (-50€ for the subscribers) (-100€ if you already have our previous YA SoundBank)
Send me a PM if interested


- NEW OTS FROM YAMAHA STYLES : Yamaha styles includes 4 suggested presets for the right hand melody, that play well with the current style.
If you find here a nice sound, you can do SAVE RIGHT SOUND, to add this combi preset to your user sounds

       


- OPTIONS / CONTROLLERS : PITCH BEND + has been added, that allows to raise the pitch from an external midi controller.


- PLAYLIST : It is now possible to click many times repeatedly on MOVE UP and MOVE DOWN, to re-order faster the SONG inside the PLAYLIST.
It is now also possible to add a SONG directly to the current PLAYLIST by doing a right click on a SONG, and then ADD TO PLAYLIST...


- Improved compatibility with some VST (Arturia, UVI...)

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- Many more improvements, corrections and optimisations
« Last Edit: December 31, 2019, 08:58:40 PM by Dan »

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Re: NEW : VERSION 'NEXT'
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2019, 05:46:03 PM »
Subscription executed, thank you Dan for your work

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Re: NEW : VERSION 'NEXT'
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2019, 05:56:50 PM »
It's good to see that Dan keeps improving vArranger.   I have no problem paying for some new core features.   Are these upgrades only for those who subscribe?
 

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Re: NEW : VERSION 'NEXT'
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2019, 08:19:29 PM »
XF CHORD FORMAT SUPPORT is fantastic news.
Can the XF Chords be read in from a Midi file directly into the Song Chord Window?

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Re: NEW : VERSION 'NEXT'
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2019, 02:18:59 AM »
Dan,

I agree with most that lakere said.
To me, a single "feature" that would justify subscription 100% would be a true style mixer, which was available since early arrangers and sequencers over 20+ years ago.
Which allows assembling custom styles from the parts of  (almost*) any other style :)

Some other items that would interest me would be:
Octave changing in individual instruments and whole bars,
Several popular drum maps  that can be changed easily, possibly within re-designed drum mixer  (It is a bit flaky as it is)

There is a lot of room for improvements, but I feel there is a need for a breakthrough features to keep VA healthy and keep users in the loop. I do not mind "subscribing" but I need to know what I am in for :)







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Re: NEW : VERSION 'NEXT'
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2019, 09:06:39 AM »
Hi Dan,

my only wish is save and restore of SD1000 effectsettings with a song or sound!

You promissed this many years ago and nothing happens!


I also have no problem paying for this feature, but not every year for features that i dont need!

best regards
Werner

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Re: NEW : VERSION 'NEXT'
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2019, 11:41:51 AM »

Hi,

I have mixed feelings about this charge.   In principle its acceptable if something useful will be delivered.   The problem I have is that I no longer trust Dan to do the right thing by his customers.   He is extremely insulting to his customers in that he just ignores many of their requests for new or amended features - whether they are made on the web site or via private mail - and this is despte constant reminders by many people.    Unless, of course, it looks like he might sell another new licence when he is very helpul!

vArranger is missing some vital features (like registration memory) - and despite several of us asking for this - nothing ever happens and, indeed, there is no hint as to whether it will ever happen in most of lifetimes  (i.e. global warning might get us all first!).   

If there were some agreed plan as to what the charge would used for then it might be acceptable.   But if the charge is going to be used at the whim of Dan then its pointless.

So - if there were a published Project Plan then "possibly".   If not - forget it!

Barry

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Re: NEW : VERSION 'NEXT'
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2019, 02:48:16 PM »
Hi BjayG,
i full  agree with you!

If there is a time plane with content what dan will implement in the future it could be very good for my decision to pay!

best regards
Werner

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Re: NEW : VERSION 'NEXT'
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2019, 11:48:03 PM »
The next version and what it will include is not fully planned. I have opened the developments in many directions, and still have some work to complete to set the vArranger software to the next level.
The goal of the annual subscription is to select few users who likes to receive more intermediate updates during the year, for every little step rather than wait for the big step in a more long time. This also will be a little income for me to help me to continue the devs further. You can't imagine how much time I offer to the actual user base. I am sorry if I can't implement all good ideas as fast as we all want.
By the way, some good surprises are coming, keep reading this topic.

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Re: NEW : VERSION 'NEXT'
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2019, 09:09:24 AM »
I would pay for the possibility of Audio drums and loops working in sync with arrangments.

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Re: NEW : VERSION 'NEXT'
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2019, 10:52:38 AM »
Prepare your money :)

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« Last Edit: August 27, 2019, 04:42:05 PM by Dan »

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Re: NEW : VERSION 'NEXT'
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2019, 04:44:12 PM »
Everyone his own story - I have some work to do to win 50€    ;D

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Re: NEW : VERSION 'NEXT'
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2019, 07:35:29 PM »
Dan,
I do not think is about 50e. It is more about the message that people want to see some real progress / development for their money :)

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Re: NEW : VERSION 'NEXT'
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2019, 10:11:50 PM »
I really thank you all for asking new features and everyone here is a true chance for me
vArranger would certainly not be at this level if users did not asked for more !

I have some work planned :)

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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2019, 10:11:16 PM »
I long ago asked for the possibility of exporting and re-importing loaded styles with a yamaha-like structure (midi + CASM), to be able to modify them with an external sequencer .. of course I could have paid a little something to have it .. ::)

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Re: NEW : VERSION 'NEXT'
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2019, 11:08:17 AM »

Dan,

If I thought that vArranger would improve meaningfully then I too would be willing (not sure thats really quite correct) to pay for the privilege. But we basically have no way of knowing what it is that you are doing or, indeed, whether you are doing anything at all in development terms.   

I don't believe it would correct for people to pay you 50 Euros without the knowledge as to whether they will get anything for it.  Or, alternatively, whether it will be completely irrelevent to them.   Its somewhat akin to randomly buying a ticket for a concert - but not knowing who (if indeed anyone) is playing - or whether it will be jazz, pop, or classical.

I think its up to you to prove that you can be trusted to do the right thing here.   This is not a hobby any more - people have paid large amounts of money so have a right to expect a return on their investment. 

So publish a list of plans for the next 12 months and allow people to decide whether to contribute.   If not - then I personally wouldn't touch it with a bargepool.

Barry

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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2019, 11:24:49 AM »
Most users here received free updates during 10 years
This topic only talk to people who think that the updates were relevant, and want to receive them in a more frequent time
By the way, I publish here from time to time the intermediate news, so everyone can see if they are relevant for him

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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2019, 03:23:08 PM »
Yes Dan, I understand you make en plan for continuous updates and for the customers who don't subscribe the plan the update will be annual, I'm right ?


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« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2019, 03:37:14 PM »
Dan,

Your comments do not make sense - unless I have misunderstood.

There is rarely such a thing as a new full version as far as I can recall - and many people, including me, just say to you "can I have the latest version?"  (either via email or on the forum) whenever we want them - and you just send it without question.   

So are you now  saying that these previously free intermediate updates are now chargeable and that if we don't pay then we have wait for major updates.   As far as I can see the only reason to want to pay for these intermediate updates is if you know what is coming in advance.   Actually have no issue with payment at all as long as it is clear what we are getting.

I totally confused (as usual - so nothing new there then!) - so can you please clarrify what we would get for our 50Euros.

Thnaks
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« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2019, 03:52:00 PM »
First post of Dan:
As some of you like to get the most recent additions and want to receive intermediate updates more frequently, I have created a new possibility to subscribe to the "in between" updates, for an annual amount of 50€

 What I have understood : Changes will come as usual from times to times for all users ... but ...
... for those who are too eager to wait for next official and formal delivery, they have to subscribe to get INTERMEDIATE releases...

Is that right?

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« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2019, 08:33:15 PM »
I do not personally request too many new features.
I just want things to work as they should.

As I wrote many times before:

1) Show voice list and style list after program start

https://www.varranger.com/vforum/index.php/topic,2938.msg22706.html#msg22706

2) Show the selected voice after selecting the channel.

https://www.varranger.com/vforum/index.php/topic,3739.msg29852.html#msg29852

3) changing of harmony notes after changing chord
https://www.varranger.com/vforum/index.php/topic,578.msg28584.html#msg28584


Then I can think about further financial support for the project.

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Re: NEW : VERSION 'NEXT'
« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2019, 12:46:38 PM »
Sun,

I think you need to let Dan answer himself...

You (Dan) said:
What I have understood : Changes will come as usual from times to times for all users ... but ...
... for those who are too eager to wait for next official and formal delivery, they have to subscribe to get INTERMEDIATE releases...

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Whereas if you read mine I said:
There is rarely such a thing as a new full version as far as I can recall - and many people, including me, just say to you "can I have the latest version?"  (either via email or on the forum) whenever we want them - and you just send it without question.   

These 2 statements are in direct disagreement and it needs clarrifying by Dan - coz I after 6 years of owning vA - I don't know the answer.  Are we saying that we can no longer have the latest update like we previously did without paying?

As far as I can see - the only jutification for paying 50Euros in advance is to know what we will be getting - because based on previous experience there is no discernible logic as to what gets developed next...

Barry

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« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2019, 03:10:07 PM »
Hi Dan,

I discover in this forum that to get the latest interim updates more frequently, we have to subscribe a subscription for an annual amount of 50 € via a Paypal link. this to help you continue your hard work.
What will happen to those who have not subscribed? Will you continue to send us a link to receive the latest version and how will we be notified, will there be an anniversary date, do I currently have on my computer the latest version of Varranger ie to say the V1.19.02 ? :D

Claudio


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« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2019, 11:10:01 AM »
HERE WE GO AGAIN  ...

Dan just ignores us all ...

This is is pretty rubbish support - I have actually received several private emails over the years by vA users that are fairly annoyed by this attitude.

Its not rocket science...

Barry

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« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2019, 08:02:38 PM »
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« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2019, 08:33:03 PM »
I am still not sure what to do when this major update will be ready...
By the way, I have added so much incredible news in the NEXT version that it will not be released very soon ... Better for you to subscribe and get frequent "intermediate" updates if you like to always have the latest improved vArranger

v.muller.  1 and 3 can be done...  2) I don't know... this is a very old code... need to rewrite everything...

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« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2019, 07:10:38 AM »
Hi Dan,

Many thanks for the reply.

Best Regards
Vaclav

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« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2019, 12:21:19 AM »
Vaclav,

1) Show voice list and style list after program start =>  Done

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« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2019, 07:19:06 AM »
That's great. Thank you.

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« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2019, 08:08:00 PM »
Hi Dan, this is my new request:

When i'm playing in SD1000 configuration and then load a other file format style (eg. yamaha), vA2 "optimize" some program voices for SD1000 module..Is it possible to "edit" this mapping to make a user's choice of program voices to optimize?

Thanks.

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« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2019, 08:51:56 PM »
Creating a custom mapping is something interesting, but will not be done very soon, however, if you give me your mapping, I can put it in vArranger so everyone will profit of it

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« Reply #33 on: September 11, 2019, 10:12:01 PM »
Temporarily, you could add a checkbox in setup form where you ask the user to optimize programs changes..it would be useful when I import styles yamaha with program changes mapped already for SD1000 ..

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« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2019, 09:04:23 AM »
Another feature will be the possibility of mute/unmute a channel simply quickly tapping (for touchscreen) or quickly click on these..I'm using a windows tablet with 10.1" screen, and MUTE/SOLO buttons are very small and very hard to use..

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« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2019, 09:32:18 AM »
You can assign the buttons ON/OFF to a midi controller like the Korg NanoKontrol2
Or use the TouchOSC app, that is almost ready in the NEXT version :)

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« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2019, 09:59:11 AM »
I purposely bought a tablet just to avoid using nanokontrol2..Anyway, the program change checkbox would be more urgent .. let me know if it's possible and how long you can develop it ..

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« Reply #37 on: September 12, 2019, 10:04:59 AM »
I already answered :
Creating a custom mapping is something interesting, but will not be done very soon, however, if you give me your mapping, I can put it in vArranger so everyone will profit of it
I don't understand your checkbox

What I need, is that you say : for this style, with this program change and the SD1000, it sound better than this one, or any other thing you discover, and I add it to the vArranger

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« Reply #38 on: September 12, 2019, 10:16:54 AM »
Sorry if I wasn't clear..

I meant, if there is a portion of code in vArranger for which a style is loaded eg. Yamaha set a "sound that sounds better (optimized for the SD1000)", I would like you to implement a check that bypass this for procedure ..

A mine mapping at the moment I can't give it to you because I should listen to hundreds of voices and look for the "best" one from Yamaha and SD1000, it would be useful as requested at the beginning, a form to customize this "optimization" of voices ..

Greetings..and thank you ..

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« Reply #39 on: September 12, 2019, 10:19:56 AM »
In the NEXT version, you can bypass the remapping if you have a INS file declared and linked to the MIDI OUT, and it has the sound present in the INS file
Exp  you use a Tyros2, and have the Tyros2 INS FILE linked to the midi out, then all sounds present in this INS file will not be remapped

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« Reply #40 on: September 12, 2019, 10:28:56 AM »
..in the meantime .. I am forced to play style yamaha in which instead of the preset "PRECISION (bass)" vArranger puts "DEEP BASS" on me and instead of "SLOWSTRINGS" puts me "STRINGS ENS." .. this is the problem. .because the "MIDI EVENTS EDITING + SAVING MODIFICATIONS" function would be very useful in the style ..

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« Reply #41 on: September 12, 2019, 10:31:56 AM »
You can still change the sound manually and SAVE SONG
If you think one style sound bad, please sent it to me, and I will try it on my SD1000 with your suggested voices

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« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2019, 03:22:26 AM »
I think €50 per year isn’t bad..
Dan you should look at bitwig, they are having a subscription system like this..
You buy bitwig, and get a subscription with it for all updates during the first year..

After that it stops, but whenver you see an update you want, you an buy a new subscription, for a whole year of updates, and you ge the latest version..

Maybe this allows you to spend more time on v-arranger
I am hoping multipads (espescially midi ones) will be part of one of these updates..

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« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2019, 06:08:13 AM »
Yes, and their subscription is 159€ :)
https://www.bitwig.com/en/17/new-license-model.html

I put it at 50€ so most of users will still be in the party, I hope...

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« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2019, 07:44:01 AM »
You can still change the sound manually and SAVE SONG
If you think one style sound bad, please sent it to me, and I will try it on my SD1000 with your suggested voices

I've modified the patches with OMB and now style sounds right without "optimization".. it would be useful if vA2 also had the possibility of having a micro editing form for editing MIDI events without losing the CASM ..

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« Reply #45 on: September 15, 2019, 02:12:36 PM »
My opinion may not be popular with some, but I have been with Dan since almost day one.  I have seen an amazing transition from a good program to the best, and all of this has not cost me an additional dime. The idea of compensating and encouraging Dan has been brought up in the past.  It is a sticky wicket because some have just come on board, while others, like myself have been receiving the benefits of thousands of hours of programming.

Whatever method is used, I believe it is only fair to pay something for Dan's time and expertise.  It is not like the present program isn't was the price of admission, even without future enhancements.

Just my opinion.
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« Reply #46 on: September 15, 2019, 02:58:25 PM »
Thank you Bernie

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« Reply #47 on: September 15, 2019, 08:01:17 PM »
You are right Bernie. And if we considere the price at the beginning, 350€ was for vArranger fonctionnal only with the SD2 Ketron and by compare with the last version there are a lot more features now
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« Reply #48 on: September 16, 2019, 10:38:27 AM »
I did say a few years ago to Dan ask a a small amount for the updates
the meaning was an arranger for the sd serie.
But so many people have asked for them private to progam the arranger
even better then the Yamaha, Korg, Roland enc. Alway' not asking for a price!!!

If You order someone to paint Your house is that for free?
I,m happy to pay the 50€ a year and get this stuff

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« Reply #49 on: September 16, 2019, 11:20:41 AM »
My personal consideration, Dan has requested collaboration a few times to help him, with small donations, I would like to know how many of you have helped Dan by sending money? So I think it is right that we help the program develop with 50 euros a year. Thanks

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« Reply #50 on: September 16, 2019, 11:25:06 AM »
In over 25 yrs of owning most arrangers, I can't help but thing Dan has dug a hole for himself in one respect. He has always been very helpful and willing to entertain improvement requests, many of which implemented.  However, there comes a point when vArranger has become, basically, a mature program and still some are bent out of shape because a particular specific improvement request hasn't been readily addressed.  If you multiply that by many, each requiring thought about compatibility and time involved in programming, you can see how impossible it would be for one man-for free even.
How much personal attention have you ever received from the big boys, with their R&D departments.  I may have received minor bug fixes, or even a few meaningful upgrades, but have spent thousands of dollars on the latest models too.

Let's give Dan a little credit for being open, honest, and willing to accommodate, but to expect the world for free is unrealistic.

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« Reply #51 on: September 16, 2019, 11:28:24 AM »
I have, but I certainly think it time to send one again, considering that was many years and revisions ago.
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« Reply #52 on: September 16, 2019, 02:35:47 PM »
Hi,

In principle I have no problem with paying even a yearly update charge.    But lets be clear - we have to have some way of knowing what we will get for the money. 

In particular vA seems to have drifted away from the concept of being a real time arranger keyboard replacement into something which, judging by some people's requirements, is more akin to a glorified backing track creator.   Its nice that vA allows you create all manner of midifiles and backing tracks that some people use it for - but please don't let it lose its primary purpose and add missing things such as registrtaion menu, style auditiong, and the real time stuff etc.

This is a great program - but with a bit of focus it could be even greater.

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« Reply #53 on: September 16, 2019, 03:13:46 PM »
Barry,
Being more of a live style guy, I have to agree.

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« Reply #54 on: September 16, 2019, 03:22:45 PM »


...but please don't let it lose its primary purpose and add missing things such as registrtaion menu, style auditiong, and the real time stuff etc...


Barry


vArranger² has "Registration Menu", every User Sound is one Registration !!! What is "the real time stuff", please be concrete.

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« Reply #55 on: September 17, 2019, 12:16:24 PM »
Hi all,
i agree with BjayG!
Va2 is no full replacement for an Hardware Arranger! It lacks some features like effect dsp settings with sound or arrangement!
I use VA2 only with SD1000 as main soundmodule and miss some years the load and save effect settings with sound!
Dan has promissed me this function some years ago!

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« Reply #56 on: September 17, 2019, 02:25:22 PM »
If you use vA² with VST instruments, than you have the best
VST Effects on the world !!! vA² is one software Arrangeur, that
open a huge world of the best studio VST Effects to use it with
the best VST sounds. The best hardware Arrangeur is without
slightest chance towards one vA² on adequate audio-configured
machine (hardware, software and system) !!! With all new vA²
functions, which Dan make to time, it will be even much better
from day to day.
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« Reply #57 on: September 18, 2019, 09:52:17 AM »
Hi Agaton,
you are right if you use only software soundgeneration!

But many VA2 users use only hardware soundgenerators! And VA 2 was original developed for Ketron SD2 and Dan then changed to SD1000 some years ago! This was the time i bought VA2!

But Dan has never implemented full DSP functions for the SD1000!!

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« Reply #58 on: September 18, 2019, 11:54:34 AM »
It is too pity to use so one powerful program like vArranger² only
as Ketron SD2 Player. Too pity !!! It is a past tense. So looks Trans
Audio system with vArranger² as Workstation and Arrangeur i the
same time. One very, very powerful sound system, with thousands
and thousands best sounds and effects !!!




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« Reply #59 on: September 18, 2019, 12:06:40 PM »
Hi,
I do not understand the whole discosion.
Why should we pay for development.
Yamaha, Roland, Ketron, Korg and so on are spending millions on development and eventually launching a new key on the market.
For this we pay, if something is wrong then the manufacturer brings a new firmware upgrade (free of charge, of course)
Dan brings out a completely open Varranger2 and it's clear what's coming from the beginning.
Dan should finish the Varranger2 in a version that costs 349.- €.
Everyone writes here what he would like, anyone can do that and should then be able to pay for it.
The Varranger2 is definitely worth the money, but it can not be that we should pay for development.
When Dan adds new things he can ask for it if someone wants it.
Everyone can buy their own hardware and nobody has to pay for it.
But it must be done once order in the system,
especially for updates and the naming of the available updates with exact information which version is out and who can have it then.
It's no wonder everyone writes me the latest version.
If nobody knows when what comes.

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« Reply #60 on: September 18, 2019, 01:23:47 PM »
I think that there is a false problem. Dan asks money for intermediate updates (as a prerelease ) and not for the big update (sum of the prereleases).
And I think it's more like a donation to support.
The release of the big update (1.20-1.21...) will be free.

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« Reply #61 on: September 18, 2019, 01:33:39 PM »
I think that there is a false problem. Dan asks money for intermediate updates (as a prerelease ) and not for the big update (sum of the prereleases).
Yesssssss and that is good so !!!

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« Reply #62 on: September 24, 2019, 08:03:50 PM »
Added few news in the second post

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« Reply #63 on: September 29, 2019, 08:59:02 AM »
Hello Dan,

many Thanks for the new Update and for the great sounding  Genos Soundbank!!!!!

Best Regards

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« Reply #64 on: September 29, 2019, 09:32:20 AM »
Thank you :) Enjoy  8)

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« Reply #65 on: September 29, 2019, 05:35:48 PM »

hi Dan i think i missed it in this post. I subscribed on August 28th and since then I have received no intermediate updates while I understand that you have sent it to other users. I also didn't realize how much it would cost to upgrade to the bank sounding genos considering I already have the tyros bank and I'm a subscriber. I would also like advice on the computer requirements to be able to take advantage of the Genos bank and any other future updates from Claudio

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« Reply #66 on: October 01, 2019, 11:00:26 PM »
I hope to send an update every month or 2 month
As a subscriber and having the first bank, for only 50€ you can get the new bank
If you have 8GB RAM, it should be OK
You can send me a private message to order

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« Reply #67 on: November 03, 2019, 12:14:57 PM »
Hi,

I'm curious to know how this is working out.    So have the people who subscribed their 50Euros pa received useful results.

Ta
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« Reply #68 on: November 05, 2019, 12:00:05 PM »
Hi Dan,

you should install once an update function in the VA2, so you do not constantly ask for new versions.
Everyone who has paid for them gets the same and the others only once a year.
Do not know now how it should really work.
I have also paid the ABO, but have not received anything without asking.
This is the ABO but then not worth it.

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« Reply #69 on: November 05, 2019, 12:03:30 PM »
What no positive response at all - so does this mean that people are not seeing any beneifit?

If people had found it useful then I had thought about joining - but now I'm not so sure .... :-\

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« Reply #70 on: November 05, 2019, 02:31:51 PM »
A new version will come by the end of the month, and I will create a newsletter for it, to send it to all the subscribers.
Subscribers can send me in a private message their current email address, so I can add them to the mailing list

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« Reply #71 on: November 05, 2019, 03:22:41 PM »
Hi Dan,

why do we have to contact you again and sign up for a list?
You know who paid for everything.
Make an update button in the VA2 add all who have paid for it and you're done.
The others can ask you for an update.
Those who have paid should slowly experience an increase.
Constantly this questioning, as in the Stone Age.
Sorry

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« Reply #72 on: November 05, 2019, 04:15:26 PM »
This is the point.
Some people used a different email address for the emails, for paypal, for the forum etc... so to be sure that everyone will get the email, I just need your email confirmation ONCE. Then no need to ask anymore

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« Reply #73 on: December 21, 2019, 03:21:55 AM »
Hi Dan.
Is the new version ready? If yes, can you please send it to me.
Thank you.

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« Reply #74 on: December 21, 2019, 01:01:07 PM »
What is actually is in the new version please - that would be useful information?    If we have to pay - then it would be nice to know what we will get.

In all honestly - I am now totally confused.  I used to ask for the latest version every 9 months of so - but now we have this voluntary charging mechanism.    So am I still allowed to request it like I have for the last 6 years - or do I now have to pay if I want it.

Thanks
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« Reply #75 on: December 21, 2019, 11:00:16 PM »
New version coming soon... and will be called vArranger 2020.1

Barry, yes, if you see in the update something interesting for you, then you have to pay 50€ to get it, and all the futures updates of the year

Regards,

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« Reply #76 on: December 22, 2019, 12:38:08 PM »
Dan

Thanks - thats actualy cleared it up - a new nominal  payment for a new version (as long as we know whats in it) - is not unreasonable.

A Happy Christmas and Great New Year to you (and everyone)

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« Reply #77 on: December 22, 2019, 02:35:53 PM »
Hi

We really miss a release note document on this forum. I mean something very clear : a single document or a single forum thread and not disseminated informations....
It's important to know all improvements and all bug corrections ...


I think it's now essential for people that want only subscribe regarding new features (or bug corrections).

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« Reply #78 on: January 12, 2020, 05:45:08 PM »
Hi Dan,

is there a new version already?
I have version 19.06.

Thank you very much.

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« Reply #79 on: January 15, 2020, 11:21:06 AM »
Hi Dan,

is a few days ago, but get no answer. No information here either.
I also believe that you have a lot to do, but unfortunately I have to say that it is of no use if you have paid.
You just don't answer.
Do not give any information here.
These are things that have been criticized before.
Your support is definitely in need of improvement.
What about the intermediate updates.
Do you actually think it is fun to keep asking questions.
It is horrible.
Is there a higher version than the 19.06 ???


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« Reply #80 on: January 15, 2020, 12:21:44 PM »
Hello Freakman, Sorry for my lack of communication.
All subscribers will receive an email and be informed when a new version is ready, so no need to ask it again

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« Reply #81 on: January 15, 2020, 12:27:29 PM »
Hi Dan,

that's an answer.
Thought that YOU have a lot of work.
But once in a while an info would not be bad.
Thanks for the information.

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« Reply #82 on: January 15, 2020, 12:34:26 PM »
Yes, I am trying to understand a problem of some users when we change the sound preset and VST does not change the volume correctly from time to time
To understand more, I had to do some arranging in the vArranger code and the midi outs....... I had to change 2000 lines.... So now I need to check everything is OK 
This can eventually leads to adding more easily a 4th MIDI OUT later
And still don't understand how to reproduce the VST problem here

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« Reply #83 on: January 15, 2020, 06:43:08 PM »
Dan

Following your new business model, i already paid for the suscriptions, and here the two most important suggestions, easy to implement  and with a big impact for users like me using varranger2 with external MIDI DAW (Ableton live) + plugins (Kontakt),

For users using varranger2 as a MIDI engine only to control external DAW + VST's  I suggest:
   
1. add configuration to varranger t hide/show  . the UI the controls to the  the minimum so we can get back more space in the screen for the DAW & VST plugins, lyrics .. see examples & more details within the enclosed attachment.

2. Create a new option (Disabled) for the AUDIO auto and Audio in config, so if we do not need audio (only midi) we do not use it .. currently audio OUT is mandatory

For example if you use external it would be great to have only these sections of UI controls visible:

Hope you can release it soon. With this new model, is ti possible to publish  a roadmap of features, so we know more or less what & when those features/suggestions will be released ?

Regards

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« Reply #84 on: January 15, 2020, 06:56:45 PM »
Thanks for joining in.
If you select a DirectSound output then it is like you have disabled it
I am working on a OSC control for vArranger, when you will be able to use your own tablet or phone to control vArranger, and eventually adapt the TouchOSC layout to your taste....

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« Reply #85 on: January 15, 2020, 07:44:20 PM »
I am working on a OSC control for vArranger, when you will be able to use your own tablet or phone to control vArranger, and eventually adapt the TouchOSC layout to your taste....

It sounds really good!👍

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« Reply #86 on: January 25, 2020, 01:14:09 AM »
Hi Dan,

Somewhere in this thread I read that there has been a version released later than v1.19.01, which is the version I currently own. Is that correct?

Regarding the "Subscription", if you recall I was one of your original customers (if not the very first one) who mentioned not minding having to pay a reasonable fee for major new features. One such feature for me was (has always been) a Style Maker, which I think has been on your to-do list for a very very long time. As much as I appreciate the time you've spent on developing the VST capability and sound modules, I still view VArranger as an excellent auto-accompaniment software and not a VST host. For that I could use a free dedicate software like Cantabile Lite or even my own DAW. Needing a simple way to create robust auto-accompaniment and giving up on waiting for it to get implemented in VArranger, I ended up adding a robust auto-accompaniment feature in my own DAW using a LUA VST plugin. While that's serving my needs, I still enjoy using VArranger from time to time and want to see it improved. However, with all due respect, I am somewhat reluctant to commit to a subscription when I, as a paying customer, have zero say in what features get implemented and have to fully rely on the developer to make that decision for me. I think that given my long wait for a single feature, that may not be too unreasonable. Respect.  :)

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« Reply #87 on: January 25, 2020, 08:53:31 AM »
Hi there,
I fully agree with you! Dan had promised me the implementation of effect saving and loading for the SD1000 sound generator for several years. No one except Dan knows what is being implemented in VA2. It would be better to ask the long-term customers which new features could be implemented! That's why I'm not going to pay an update price right now if I don't know what the future will look like!

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« Reply #88 on: February 13, 2020, 07:26:20 PM »
Hi Dan.
Any news on this new version?

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« Reply #89 on: February 14, 2020, 06:32:11 AM »
+1

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« Reply #90 on: February 14, 2020, 12:05:28 PM »
+2

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« Reply #91 on: February 14, 2020, 12:08:49 PM »
+3 !!!

Actually working hard to find a solution on this VST volumes and program changes problems

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« Reply #92 on: February 14, 2020, 02:57:30 PM »
Dan, please clear something up for me.  I am very confused.  When I bought vArranger I was under the impression that all updates will be free to me, for life.  If I sell my license, then a new person has to pay you a once-off fee, because you will have to spend time helping that new customer that bought my license.

Will I have to pay now suddenly in order to receive updates that were promised as being free?

Please advise.

Brian

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« Reply #93 on: February 14, 2020, 04:23:24 PM »
Updates were free during 10 years, now there is a little participation of 50€ that offer access to the updates during one year

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« Reply #94 on: February 14, 2020, 05:19:35 PM »
Hello, everyone.
Not quite true, we were promised updates within six, and later on page "Features" indicated that nine years AFTER the purchase. By the way, this was one of the Main arguments in the cost of vA2.... As for "...little participation of 50€", it was initially based on the offer of some users to provide voluntary financial support to project. But, all of this suddenly "miraculously" turned into a paid subscription for updates. For me, everything that happens is unclear...

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« Reply #95 on: February 15, 2020, 11:57:09 PM »
I always said how many years the updates were free in the past, (ex free updates since 2010) not saying that the updates will be free for the 100 next years
I am sorry if it was not clear, and if this new participation is a problem for some of you, but for some reasons it is difficult for me to maintain the free updates now
Hope you will find something interesting in the news I am producing that will make you jump in one day

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« Reply #96 on: February 16, 2020, 05:00:09 AM »
Well Dan, it's no reason to be sarcastic - nobody can provide updates (free or paid) for 100 years.  I still believe that I was promised free updates for life.  And you now expect me to pay? This is a good way to alienate your early and even other customers.

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« Reply #97 on: February 16, 2020, 06:00:25 AM »
I still have not definitive answer.  It is simple. Sompe places you say that we will still get free updates, but only once a year.  Then it changes again, we have to pay for all updates.  I am still confused. Please answer the simple question with either a "Yes" or "No" - I don't need a long explanation.  The question is:  Will we still ever get free updates?  The answer must be just one word - Yes or No.


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« Reply #98 on: February 16, 2020, 08:38:30 AM »
Dan most of us we acquired your software precisely because you advertised in all music websites informing
that the vArranger updates were free for life and on August 22, 2019 in this forum you say that to get them you have to subscribe to a subscription in the amount of 50 €!

Why do we have to accept this change in warranty? incomprehensible to former retired musicians and others...

Best regards.  :)

Claudio

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« Reply #99 on: February 16, 2020, 08:54:43 AM »
CITE: Updates were free during 10 years, now there is a little participation of 50€ that offer access to the updates during one year

But I have your expensive software few months. I found important bugs in your software. I reported this bug and I not received reply. It is no OK.

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« Reply #100 on: February 16, 2020, 09:19:32 AM »
I agree.  This is NOT OK.

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« Reply #101 on: February 16, 2020, 09:46:17 AM »
Hello Petr

I have corrected the bug you have signaled to me. Very strange one. Thanks for all the details. I will release a new version soon.
I have seen only one bug with the song chords export. no?

I never said updates will be free for life (= next 100 years+). When it was the case, I said that this update (1.17, 1.18, ...)  is still free for all users. 1.19 was free donation, And starting with this one, I ask 50€

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« Reply #102 on: February 16, 2020, 10:13:12 AM »
On the Audiokeys website you wrote it, right ? :)

https://www.audiokeys.net/forum/forum/les-bancs-d-essais-ressources-tutos-synth%C3%A8se-partitions/les-tutos-et-les-dossiers-sur-la-musique/arrangeurs/18491-tutos-varranger2/page3

17 avril 2013, 22h40
Jusqu'à maintenant, les 349€ sont le ticket d'entrée pour obtenir vArranger, et ensuite les mise les à jours sont gratuites à vie.
Ceux qui ont achetés vArranger peuvent en témoigner.

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« Reply #103 on: February 16, 2020, 11:23:25 AM »
Claudio, that is exactly what I remember. Still going on about 100 years?

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« Reply #104 on: February 16, 2020, 01:25:53 PM »
It is true that I was under the impression that updates were free for life.   But then you find lots of suppliers really seem to assume that 'life' means the life of the managing directors pet mouse - and suddenly you when you dig deeper you discover that life does not mean the purchaser's  life.  For example TomTom had map “updates for life” and they now define 'life' as the useful life of the device - i.e. until they think it should be changed.  I have come across lots of other companies that do the same thing.   Another more sarcastic example is in the UK where you can get a life sentence for murder - but it is likely defined as 30 years in prison and you get out after 15 for good behaviour.

Anyway - I actually have no problem that after a fixed 'guarantee' time then you have to pay for updates  - and that 50 EU is not an unreasonable amount.    But what I do have a problem with is the vapourware approach that vA updates seem to suffer from.    If you don't pay for updates (i.e. free for life or even 10 years) and nothing happens then it is just very annoying and you just have to accept it (i.e. as now).  But if it is defined that there is a fixed price for annual updates - then this implies some sort of committent to deliver something - and in a reasonable time -  and frankly, based on previous experience, I am not at convinced that this will ever happen.    But I guess that as long as you can pay a one off  price to get a known (i.e. next) level of update - then it does not matter if the vapourware philosophy is continued with.  You can see what's available and make the choice to pay or not.  Although what has not been discussed is if you decide to miss several updates – then how much will it cost when you do eventually decide to buy one.

My biggest concern, actually, is that the views and needs of the customer base, in general, seem to be ignored.  There seems to be no known design philosophy for the future development of vA and there is certainly no indication from Dan what he is actually working on.  Just that it will be “really exciting when you get it”.  It never is for me!   

I just simply want a really good arranger program that is a fantastic substitute for a hardware arranger (despite what some people think – vA is definitely not).   I do not want yet another VST host and I certainly do not want yet another Band in a Box substitute or means to make backing tracks.    Unfortunately it seems to me to be what  vA is actually turning into for some people.

When people started saying a couple of years ago that they were happy to pay for specific bits of vA update work to be done – I just knew it would open this very Pandora's box.

Barry

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« Reply #105 on: February 16, 2020, 01:47:19 PM »
Claudio, cette phrase n'engage que toi : "Dan most of us we acquired your software precisely because you advertised in all music websites informing
that the vArranger updates were free for life". Merci de ne pas parler pour les autres !

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« Reply #106 on: February 16, 2020, 02:25:25 PM »
Wow; I have edited the post on AK so other people will not stay on what I have written 7 years ago. I myself don't remember that  :-[
By the way, I was offering free updates during 10 years, and now I am asking something to be able to continue
People don't need to trust me, and can pay when they see an interesting news coming in that worth 50€
I also set the price low enough so most of my users can afford it, where most of other companies charge a lot more on the updates.

I am actually searching a workaround for a problem some users found with some vst instruments and midi program changes. 3 weeks nights and days, and still no 100% good solution
The effort I put in vArranger to offer to my users a better experience has no limit, even if not everyone is receiving the feature he need in a reasonable time.

I hope that majority of us is reassured on this and will continue to support my work

Dan

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« Reply #107 on: February 16, 2020, 02:36:28 PM »
@Fazfaz Indeed you are right I am not your spokesperson and even less of the others. ;D

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« Reply #108 on: February 16, 2020, 02:43:22 PM »
Almost nobody wanted to listen when I mentioned that it would be a good idea to have a modular approach.
You buy the core VA and it gets maintenance updates / bugs fixed without the need to pay.
The big features, you pay for. Two big items that are completely missing are "Style Maker", to mix and match styles/lines/breaks from existing ones to make new ones and a VST version, that would adhere to tempo map of DAW.

Support for development, ok if you can find some features that are potentially useful to you.  The thing Dan probably does not realize, that unless bold new features are made (VST for example) he will have more or less same user base that supported project for years... And predictably most of these people will not be happy with paid updates. Dan, please consider making big things to preserve the future of VA , that will bring new people to the pool. Besides, BIG items can be sold separately or bundled as a package for a discount.

To "excite" things companies either release a feature packed versions or have reasonable sales.  Arguably, most people who wanted VA, already bought it. So to bring new folks, things have to be re-imagined...

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« Reply #109 on: February 16, 2020, 04:31:33 PM »
I acquired VA about 10 years ago i think. Since then I received many very nice updates some even supprisingly with VST options.
Dan never told us that that would come, neither lots of other options like feed-back to keyboards like in DAW's.

His work is very complex if you imagine that he has to deepen himself into any subject and detail to get it working; Windows, VST's, Softwre from other companies, keyboards, sound modules, Style formats etc etc. All these subjects change over the years where he has to adopt the software to keep it working with all of these.
After many updates, most of the times software has to be completely rewritten to be able to have it working with all the new ideas. I do not know
if Dan has rewritten the basis in the mean time but it is unbelievable that this software is working so good!

Dan is a one man band that keeps the software up to date with the many requests from all of us. But please accept that not everything is possible or can be implemented for the full 100% allthough he does the utmost to have it working.  This is why other (big) companies only have upgrades where you have to pay (>>$100) for and that is acceptable even if there too are still many lacking functionalities.

Also guys, how many alternatives do you have for a software Arranger?? This is the best there is!!


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« Reply #110 on: February 16, 2020, 05:22:35 PM »
Dear Dan,
I don't want to offend anyone in any way, but these things cause a misunderstanding. Why all these somersaults with paid updates? You can offer other conditions to new buyers, and for those who bought earlier, the guarantees that were promised must be provided. "les paroles s’envolent, les écrits restent" - is that what the French proverb says? Still, the people who bought this program at the beginning of its development are your investors and the engine of further progress vA2. This should not be disregard. Especially since you didn't fulfill many of Your promises to fix bugs and improve important vA2 features. It's just that sometimes you ignore users messages and keep silent. With such a high cost of software (developed by a private programmer), everything should be at the proper level: a list of changes (innovations, fix, changes) should be attached to each release..., user documentation (including new features) , and we should not ask you to send an upgrade of the program after it appears. As it is customary in field of software production, regardless of status of the developer...
With best regards.

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« Reply #111 on: February 16, 2020, 05:40:56 PM »
Then new users will not be happy to pay where some other doesn't pay....
Look at the beginning of this topic, you can see that I am trying to write the new features I am adding
Igor, I remember you told me about problems with Roland VST GUI not displaying and also transposition rules with Intro etc..., and I have corrected all of this for you already.
Are there still some corrections of bugs you are waiting from my side?

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« Reply #112 on: February 16, 2020, 06:31:10 PM »
Dan,
I meant not my requests, but messages from other users about identified problems in the program, implementations of some functions promised several years ago (for example: saving parameters of the SD1000 effect processor, using multipads (midi phrases), a style editor with its own format in Vf2, etc.). All this can be analyzed by reading the messages on the forum. As for new users and their acceptance of new terms, it's up to them to choose. It is also up to You as far as pricing policy is concerned. ;) So you need to analyze the market situation and look for more flexible conditions to raise the level of sales and attract new customers. I am sure that this will bear fruit in the future, rather than trying to get revenue from a limited number of users. Otherwise, it is a dead-end path of development...IMHO