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Hello
Me and my friend made a sound module for varranger.
Intel NUC motherboard, max. RAM expandable up to 16 GB, i3 CPU, 7 inch IPS touch screen. MIDI in and out. Stereo line out.
Soundmodule here

Hi,
I am VA2 user.
What is the price for your system with shipping costs to Germany.

Best regards
Werner

Quote from: haweneu on July 18, 2023, 06:01:09 PMDear Werner
The module 750 euro + delivery without usb key.
The module you see on the YouTube video.
USB key help Dan.
Best regards, Tibi

Tibi,
I applaud your creativity. I really do. Cool box. Atom or Surface? I am surprised nobody printed one as of yet. However, it seems that hardware is developing much faster than software.

I assume your customers will be aware that no significant updates were done to VA software in 2+ years. A promised NEXT version never materialized and as of now, it doesn't support VST3 Instruments, such as Kontakt , Halion and many others which are sold only as VST3 now.

Dear Bluebeat
Thanks. It was a lot of work to create.
A mini Intel motherboard works with a desktop PC processor.
Unfortunately, the software is developing slowly.
Dan promised that there will be a new version with a small display.
Missing:
- there is no octave shift on the accompaniment tracks
- in accordion mode, only the chord part controls the accompaniment, not the bass
- everything is condensed on one screen. Hard to see on a 7-inch monitor
- two effect controls. It would be nice to have 4 effects at the same time.
- etc...

Regards, Tibi

Seems you put a lot of effort into the unit. I see that it has a "spare" USB port. I wonder if you implemented MIDI IN and OUT from that port? I know it is tricky, but can be very useful.

For a while I was using a Surface tablet with VA. Have you considered building a case around that idea? I tested Surface GO with VA and Halion recently and it worked perfectly. I am sure it will take Kontakt too.

But then this:
"Unfortunately, the software is developing slowly."

Most of us, users were expecting a major promised update couple of years ago which never happened. I think it might be hard to find a buyer that is willing to spend $1000 on the unit + VA software without VST3 support. Major/most brands discontinued releases of VST2.

VA is stable "enough" as a software, but without VST3 support it will become obsolete pretty soon. Dan promised updates... And this is a CORE update. I think you should convince Dan to finish it ASAP. Because your business will likely bring business to Dan. 

 

But there is now too much talk about VST3 !!! It's OK, some plugins are only in VST3 format, and there will be a vA² update with this feature soon, but it's really not so, that you can't play without VST3 support. You know exactly how I do that there is currently no hardware arranger that can keep up with the range of functions of the vA², not even the new Ketron Event, provided you have a PC with sufficient power and you can assemble the VST Instruments sound engine. It goes as far as it is possible to provide all arranger tracks with audio loops that adapt perfectly to the tempo and can be played without any glitches or dropouts. Much better than Ketron Event makes it. You just have to use the right plugins and you get almost a real band on the stage, since all the accompaniment comes from audio loops (drums, rhythm guitar, bass...). I've been working almost exclusively with Audio Loops Styles for quite some time. In the end, if you only need to implement a VST as VST3, there is the already mentioned Blue Cats PatchWork that does it perfectly.

Agaton, please stop this bologna.

VST support is a core feature which Dan failed to address for years when it was known VST2 will be discontinued. VST3 was released in 2008!

What is this?
"and there will be a vA² update with this feature soon"

Where is this coming from? No NEXT update for 2+ years? How long to wait for VST3 support, another 3-5 years??? Don't disinform users on Dan's behalf.

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suszitibi,
please forgive me. Agaton has tendency to insert his views in hope of smoothing out hard truth that most users are aware of. You have made great effort with hardware and I hope that it will encourage Dan not to abandon development, as this is what it seems is happening.

Agaton ,
Could you please start a thread about how you use Loops with vArranger?
Would be very interested in how you make Audio Loops Styles and
what Plugins etc you use.

Mein Mini PC macht das schon lange. 129€ 16GB Ram 512 GBSSD Platte und Win11.Besser wie jeder Laptop

Woge, you missed the point.
Susitibi made "all in one" unit. It has almost nothing to do with your setup. It is definitely the best VA unit I have seen for "live" performances.  You are comparing apples to oranges.
P.S. If you   have not noticed, this is an English forum section. By all respects, it meant to post messages in English.

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Woge, du hast den Punkt nicht verstanden.
Susitibi hat eine ,,All-in-One"-Einheit hergestellt. Es hat fast nichts mit deinem Setup zu tun. Es ist definitiv das beste VA-Setup, das ich für ,,Live"-Auftritte gesehen habe. Sie vergleichen Äpfel mit Birnen.
P.S. Falls Sie es noch nicht bemerkt haben: Dies ist ein englischsprachiger Forumsbereich. In jeder Hinsicht bedeutete es, Nachrichten auf Englisch zu posten.

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Susitibi,
It is summer and not many people monitor this forum... and some make strange statements. You made a very nice unit and my sincere hope is that Dan will follow through at least some promises that he made ASAP. With VST3 support your unit can be powered by Halion / Sonic, the best software GM synth that supports program changes. The latest is VST3 only.

Also... I had been asking for octave changes for a long time now. I am glad you see value in that too. I am not 100% sure, but it seems technically, if using a VST3 synth (such as Halion), you could probably program your buttons (Midi learn)to transpose octave on the fly, bypassing Dan's limitation.   

Well done.

A good addition would be to add a MIDI input to your module, as vArranger can send MIDI event to light the buttons leds

Note that the bass note should impact the chord too in accordion mode

Bluebeat, yes I was able to load VST3 plugins here ... I will try to complete the efforts so VST3 is integrated in vArranger in an easy way for the user
 

"Bluebeat, yes I was able to load VST3 plugins here ... I will try to complete the efforts so VST3 is integrated in vArranger in an easy way for the user"

when?

That's right, didn't understand it that way. Yes, great solution.
Dan, these are acrylic paints. Dunk

Quote from: eallan on July 24, 2023, 02:14:22 PMAgaton ,
Could you please start a thread about how you use Loops with vArranger?
Would be very interested in how you make Audio Loops Styles and
what Plugins etc you use.

This is a little bit complex. You need one external VST Host like Cantabile, and one good VST Looper. Before I start thread about using Audio Drum Loops in vArranger² I shall upload some Clips about it. Audio Drum Loops brings much live feeling and Groove in a Style. They are no more sterile like Midi Drums. They will be synchronised with tempo of Style in vArranger² and by change of Style Parts inclusive Fill-Ins, Audio Drum Loops play 100% like a normal Midi Drum Tracks. You can start Variations, Intros, Fill-Ins and Endings when you want, it will be played without any brakes or disturbance.

Quote from: agaton on July 24, 2023, 07:27:09 AMBut there is now too much talk about VST3 !!! It's OK, some plugins are only in VST3 format, and there will be a vA² update with this feature soon, but it's really not so, that you can't play without VST3 support. You know exactly how I do that there is currently no hardware arranger that can keep up with the range of functions of the vA², not even the new Ketron Event, provided you have a PC with sufficient power and you can assemble the VST Instruments sound engine. It goes as far as it is possible to provide all arranger tracks with audio loops that adapt perfectly to the tempo and can be played without any glitches or dropouts. Much better than Ketron Event makes it. You just have to use the right plugins and you get almost a real band on the stage, since all the accompaniment comes from audio loops (drums, rhythm guitar, bass...). I've been working almost exclusively with Audio Loops Styles for quite some time. In the end, if you only need to implement a VST as VST3, there is the already mentioned Blue Cats PatchWork that does it perfectly.

Quote from: agaton on July 30, 2023, 03:14:19 AM

Quote from: eallan on July 24, 2023, 02:14:22 PMAgaton ,
Could you please start a thread about how you use Loops with vArranger?
Would be very interested in how you make Audio Loops Styles and
what Plugins etc you use.

This is a little bit complex. You need one external VST Host like Cantabile, and one good VST Looper. Before I start thread about using Audio Drum Loops in vArranger² I shall upload some Clips about it. Audio Drum Loops brings much live feeling and Groove in a Style. They are no more sterile like Midi Drums. They will be synchronised with tempo of Style in vArranger² and by change of Style Parts inclusive Fill-Ins, Audio Drum Loops play 100% like a normal Midi Drum Tracks. You can start Variations, Intros, Fill-Ins and Endings when you want, it will be played without any brakes or disturbance.

Agaton,
Any update on about using Audio Drum Loops in vArranger²?

Quote from: agaton on July 30, 2023, 03:14:19 AMVST Looper

Hi agaton, could you suggest a good VST looper for this use? I'm very interested in this topic.