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Hi Dan would it take a lot of work to add that feature. There are many times when creating a song you want it to stop complelety. The best ones are usually the riff break but they have a fill on the the fourth of the beat. Thanks for the response

Hello is it possible sixty views and no one wishes to respond. I will reprase the question I need for the rhythm in the chord template to stop for one or two or three measures and then continue. Has anyone ever done it, and if it does not exist can someone respond that it is not possible, I will ask Dan to include it in a future revision. I do not wish to go into an events menu of a DAW and remove the notes.

Hello everyone , would anyone know how I can get one or two bars of silence. Not the fill in break because it has a fill but complete silence and then it resumes. Thankyou

Hi eallan thankyou for the response, I don't understand fully what you say and it might work, and that is the problem I don't want to get too technical. This is the challenge i see I was driving the ms40 wiith a midi keyboard, i installed it and under the midi event screen you see all the midi data being transmitted when you press a chord etc. The xotopad I am using is also a midi controller pad that can transmit anything midi, but i don't have to learn chord positions on a keyboard. So what I was hoping for is that do the chords in the chord template progam transmit a midi signal. That is what i want to capture. I want the chord template to act like a midi controller keyboard. Dan est -ce que c'est possible de faire ce que je questionne.Dan if you are trying to find me a solution it is appreciated

Everything is working well. Xotopad acts like a keyboard, i am inputting the data on midi in. I have always appreciated your help in answering my questions, unfortunately this time I feel dissappointed.I wanted to use varranger, find another application for varranger, to drive the sd40, You told me to to find a style with a simple chord track, as much as i looked I did not find. My solution now completely makes varranger ineffective. So I go back to my original statement, number one I would like for varranger to be the main component, I love the program, I want the midi data of the chord in the chord template to drive the sd40, like a keyboard drives it in midi in and you can see the midi events. Is that possible, if not why and please don't answer find a simple style. the answer i am looking for is something like the data is not there, it is too much to program. etc. Once again thankyou for all your help and in making varranger a great program.

Hi Dan, I have not been able to find a simple style. So I downloaded a midi controller program called Xotopad. It is a midi trigger for chords and other things. It needs a virtual midi port, so I dowloaded a program called loopmidi.I installed it on my laptop which will be the controller, varranger is on my desktop. How do I setup the midi I guess i have a send port on the laptop, do i have to install midiloop on the desktop as a midi in.

Can the data of the chord be transmitted somewhere. I want the template chord to be an input, manually as if I was playing the keyboard. Or else I have to look into getting chords triggered by pads. I want the chords in the template to be the midi controller is that possible

do you need my email address it has changed

that's the problem the chords in the template trigger the accompangments and none are simple sounding. Does the chord template transmit the midi data of the chord. That is what i need to transmit the midi data like a keyboard does. Would that be possible, and send that data to left1 for example.

so I plugged in a keyboard with usb into my computer. Midi event in varranger showed I was transmitting on channel 1 into varranger.  Varranger showed left 1 transmitting on channel 4L. So I set up global receive to channel 4 on ms40 everything worked well. Style works with the chord changes I am doing through the keyboard. So why does it not work with the template. I would appreciate any suggestions.

Hi Dan, so I was able to play the varranger through my MS40 (for testing before i purchase the sd40).  Then I changed it that the varranger was simply setting the timing and the style was chosen from the ms40, also works well. Where i am stuck is I can't get the chords to play to trigger the internal styles of the Ms40. When I go to midi channel reception in the ms40 and make changes to the bass and accompanamients I get the varranger data playing through the ms40. Any suggestions.The ms40 for midi channel reception has right, drum, left, bass ,chord1, chord2, chord3. Right now they are all turned off. clock send is on in the varranger, and internal clock set to receive in ms40. Press start on the rhythm section of varranger it works. Chord template not yet. any suggestions

yes I am and I get the sound of a piano playing in the percussion channel. I reset nothing happenned and I downloaded the latest software update

just a little more detail please where do I set the transmitting channel for the chord template

The question is for everyone, is the chord template sending midi data of the chords or can it send midi data. Does anyone know of any chord template that i can use to send midi data to drive a ketron sd40. Basically I want to drive the styles with chord changes. Please no one answer just play the chords etc. I am a drummer and a singer busy enough as it is. thankyou

Hi Dan I sent you a message don't know if it worked, so i'll set up a topic in case. I have an sd2 and a sd1000. the sd2 styles work perfectly. the sd1000 has an instrument sound on the percussion channel. When i change the patch on channel 9 it just changes the sound of the instrument. I have not done the software update for the sd1000.  On another topic My issue is always trying to use an arranger with the chord template program. For example If i was to play chords on a keyboard triggering my ms40 what data is being sent. If i was to use the chord template program  same chords, is it the same data being sent. Can the chord template program be used to imitate me playing chords. Has anyone tried the sd40 with varranger

Hi everyone it has been a while. Has anyone tried playing the sd40 styles controlled by varranger

Hi Dan it has been a while. I would like to ask you if you can clarify a few questions I have concerning the possibilities of varranger interfacing  with the sd40. will it be possible. The module has all the styles built in. does it make a difference if the audio drums are wave files vs midi slices. I am looking to purchase a machine.

thanks Dan

Dan so the way varranger is setup for styles is it compatible with the midjpro. will the variations, fills, send the right message all i have to do is find the right midi notes.

He asked me what I am currently using,and I said how i use varranger with the chord template. He answered just as it is working on the sd2 or sd1000, it will work on the Midjpro (similiar midi configuration)
  So on stage you are actually playing back midifiles of style parts.

Hi Dan this is the response I got from AJ. Yes it is possible to sync with an external midi program. Make sure the channels match (LEFT channel of Midjay pro to software you are using)
  Midi record will be made available in a new OS release. For now only Audio recording

I answered why is the left channel important, is it not midi sync.

He answered Yes it is midi sync. You can set the channels as you wish (between 1-16). The left channel is what controls the program changes for the styles ( what chords to play like you would do with a controller and your left hand)  There are ten elements to each style- 2 drum tracks/channels, 1 bass, 5 chords, and 2 lower manual parts. You can either have the arranger trigger these automatically( as within the style) or you can control these via external sequencer/ manually.

So Dan does it make sense. I am lost, that is why I am asking you.

so Dan, me pressing a c chord on a keyboard to trigger a chord change in a style, and varranger sending a c chord through the template, is it the same message to the sound module.

so Dan I guess you don't see yourself supporting the midjpro like you supported the sd2 or sd1000, or is it that it is too complicated to implement. For instance I want to control the midjay with your song chord template.

Hi Dan.  I am looking to purchase the midjpro. Would it be a simple process to support Midjpro in Varranger, or is it very complicated. I want to be able to play a style from the midjpro and turn it into a midifile from your program. I don;t think anything is stricly audio, I believe it is all slices.

Hi Dan can I have the new version please

ya i guess if I am going to purchase it I am going to wait a whiiiile. Still too many bugs. Dan how is the studio work coming along for the drum samples.

sorry I didn't realize I copied and pasted all my messages. If anyone can remove them go ahead and remove all except for the first part.

 Message I had received when speaking to Marcello Colo, person who worked on the audya drum styles and worked on the midjpro and sd1000
Ciao Angelo




-------Messaggio originale-------

Da: angelo_garofalo@videotron.ca
Data: 10/04/2013 20.56.33
A: Marcello Colo'
Oggetto: Re: Rif: Re: Rif: Re: Rif: Re: Rif: Re: Rif: ketronsd1000

Hello Marcello how are you.
I'm fine and hope you too

I need to ask you a question. The midjay pro when it will play a style the drums and percussion sounds will be the same as the sd1000?
no ...Midjapro has a real audio ( slice) for style 

Second question will the accompanient sounds in midjaypro style be the same sounds as the sd1000.
Midjay pro has a dps with insert effect and program much better than SD 1000

Example there is a program varranger software, with a Ketron sd2 you get the styles of an Sd5.
yes

Will it be the same with midjaypro and sd1000, or will midjaypro have sounds sd1000 does not have.
Midjay has more resource and sound engine better .. Midjay could souns such an Sd 1000 not the inverse

Ciao

Hi Dan, Hi  I would like to know if you plan on testing the midjpro with varranger.

Hi Dan ,here we go again, I was just reading the manual of the midjpro. What does the midjpro need to for me to sync the styles of the midjpro from the chord function template of the vrranger. Is it simply midi clock receive.

Hi Dan I also would be interested. If it sounds live and better than the audya drums I am there. The little I know  about it, is it going to be audio streamed like the audya, or is it going to be midi controlled.

Quote from: Tuggen on June 19, 2013, 09:26:37 AM
So What do you think Dan. Is it better for a new user to still get a SD2 to start with than the newer SD1000?
Or still better to wait some more and see before deciding between SD2 and SD1000?
Is it you intention that VA will get full access to all features of SD1000 as for SD2 even if it will not have full compability with the Ketron styles?
Maybe it's just best to have them both if it will be possible BOTH to stay fully style compatible AND to use the better drums of SD 1000 whenever it's possible and also have an increased total polyphony!

Quote from: Dan on January 21, 2014, 11:59:37 AM
Hey, I have just found a way to get more sound from the SD1000.
Out of the box, the volume is too low, I think...

Quote from: Dan on January 21, 2014, 11:59:37 AM
Hey, I have just found a way to get more sound from the SD1000.
Out of the box, the volume is too low, I think...

Hi Dan  I would like to know how you accomplished getting more volume, and can i have the latest update for the sd1000. thankyou

Hi Dan can I have version 1.18 please

Hi Dan happy holidays. How do I find the sounds for the sd1000, I have version 1.17

thanks for posting, I like the midifiles all three, good realism, good punch.

Hi Dan I wouls also like to get the beta version please, my sd1000 is arriving in a couple of days. By the way did you enjoy NYC. I am going to go back again next year.

Hey Dan I am in New York myself from august3-5 to watch soccer. I guess you're going on vacation. Enjoy

Dan so that I understand you. A cumbia style, for example will have the new new sounds of the sd1000 for the accompgnment, the sd1000 drums, and the sd1000 percussion track is that correct.

on the next version of varranger, you said the sd1000 will be supported. What are your intentions with supporting the styles, will all or any of them be included in the next update.

Dan how many of the styles have you already tried.

so Dan, those were some styles from the sd5 batch. How is it looking are they easy to transfer are some really difficult. I know you are doing the work, but can you explain a bit to us the challenges of transferring the sd5 styles to the sd1000. And you are  right the drums are amazing, if that is all the sd1000 had still worth the cost.

Dan I think you found the right marketing mix.

Dan the drums are sounding good, if they can be incorporated into the sd5 styles,with these demos, varranger will take off. The sd1000 needs varranger to shine. Nice work to add the drums to the demos. Drums are the key for the illusion of live.

Ordered mine, should be getting it in two weeks.Price $585 Canadian.

I hear ya, I think I might purchase another sd2, good idea. In the end I want to see if there is an improvement with my midi files, and to see if the sd1000 can work with sd5 styles.

Gentlemen, the biggest perceived difference when listening from one sound module to another are going to be the drums. If the drums are a vast improvement in giving the illusion of live drums, for me it will be worth the cost. Nothing spruces up a midifile like a live drummer, or a live drum sample. We'll see what we have when Dan gets to the drums or to the styles demo he is planning on doing.

Dan, I have been reading the posts on the French side, I agree with Carolan you're work is amazing. Ketron is useless in customer service, your work is deeply and I repeat deeply appreciated. You make my playing a lot easier by everything you have done and do with varranger. I was also reading about integrating the styles of the sd5 into the sd1000. First off with the accompagnment sounds I would imagine that to be simple, is it simply replacing the sd5 sounds with the sd1000 sounds. Can you explain to me a bit of the challenges that lie ahead in integrating the sd5 styles to the sd1000.

Dan how are you seeing the sd1000 in varranger. what styles can it play completely ? are you going to be able to integrate fully with the styles of the sd5, meaning their accompagnment with the sd1000 sounds and drums.

Yeah I forgot the gospel

Dan you came alive on the organ sounds, a little bit of funk and a little bit of Jazz OH YEAH

Dan do you have the sd1000 integrated with any styles yet

Hi Pax, I am well aware where it is on the listing. My post was just trying to convey a little bit of sarcasm. I guess sarcasm is difficult to convey over a post. Will not use that type of humour again. This was the message I was posting, before I read Jon's. He put a big smile on my face, that's the response I wanted, a little bit of fooling around. I want BRAAAAASSSSS to be next

I guess everyone is waiting for something, I'll add my two cents BRAAAAAASS. Your work is much appreciated Dan. I'll have to check where it is on the list.

Hi Terry, can you let us know, when you find out, the exact date. Thankyou for the heads up.

thanks Dan, great work. nice to listen to the Sd1000 for the people that do not have it yet. Looking forward to all the sounds.

Just finished doing it, loaded it into sonar works well. Just waiting for the machine. USA distributors said received an email from Ketron, in ten days North America would receive them. Ten days come and gone.

hey jon how are you. BIAB was just an example, I was always looking for the chord function to drive an audya. I was trying to help Dan find a solution.

Dan i just read your post on synthzone. are we saying we found a way to sync the audya or no. Referring to controlling the styles with varranger.

all right thanks Dan.

yes

I did, I am waiting for a reply. Would you know when the sd2 came out had they done it for logic, cubase, sonar at the same time. They said they were only going to do it for logic and cubase. Dan if i have all the sound banks correct will it work, or do i need also all the controllers etc.

Dan I am doing my own ins, basically looking at the sd2 for structure. I need your help with page 58 of the sd1000 manual; 3.Midi implementation I understand the Ctrl numbers, how do i encode Note on, Mute off, etc. Also can you show me one line of how I encode the efx presets. Thankyou.

Hello everyone, does anyone have the ins for the ketron sd1000.

Dan using the two together you mean at the same time. Can you give me an example if possible. If you want to use the best of both what would you do.

Dan, hypothetically speaking, I spoke to someone who is working on the midjpro, and he said the the sd1000 will be able to play the midjpro ststyles except if the stryle uses the audio drum groove. I guess one can substitute the sd1000 groove for the midjpro groove, would that be correct.

thanks Dan, they are finally shipping it to north america, should be here in ten days.

for what you said about the midjpro, I guess we will have to wait to see what sounds they use in the accompagnment parts of the styles, if they are going to have the same soundbanks. I know that the drums are going to be completely audio.We will have to wait and see, unless you know something already.

are you going to setup , in varranger, the different variations, fills, etc, so that we have easy access

So Dan, forgeting about the midjpro, I don't think they are going to be compatible in styles,what is the sd1000 going to do in terms of the varranger. The sd1000 will not be as intertwined as the sd2. Basically for sure one can transfer the drums onto the sd5 styles. I guess your are saying the acompagnments will not be possible. I would use the drum tracks of the varranger styles and transfer them into my midifiles through the chord matrix, midi export, Will I still be able to do that with the sd1000

Dan, is it possible,  to redo the ketron styles to fit the sd1000? . Is the sd1000 going to be the defacto standard as the sd2 is, or is it because the sd1000 does not have styles it will not be possible.

Hi Dan, when you integrate the sd1000 into varranger, are you going to be able to play the old sd5 styles with the new drums. Also will you be uprading the sounds on the accompagnment parts. Is my question clear?

Hey Dan, any more news on the sd1000? Are you still enjoying it, how are the horns, the guitars. Is it a major step from the sd2?

hey Dan, the computer looks amazing. So let me understand is Varranger touch sensitive because it is running on the surface.

ketron@ketron.it, ou tu peut aller sur le site www.ketron.it et presser sur contatti (contact)

Dan, ketron m'enyoyer un autre email qu'ils veulent te parler. Faites me savoir si vous etes en contactes avec eux. Excuse mes erreurs.

I am reading everyone well, I will not create any waves.

absolutely jon, when the General says march, we march. All I want to say eventually,giving them a reasonable time, there are a lot of people from varranger looking to buy an sd1000. If the bug or bugs Dan mentionned to you are not fixed we can't possibly purchase the sd1000 yet. Today I was very pleased that they answered on the same day. By them answering promptly, I am pretty sure they will work to correct the problem in a timely manner. Dan let me know, if you wish,  when you get a response.

You go to ketron.it, and send them an email through the contact portal. I already told them someone was testing the sd1000 and found five bugs.

I just got an email from Ketron, I told them someone had found some bugs,they answered back which bugs. So they responded quite quickly, Dan have they answereed you yet.

Dan If Ketron does not answer in a reasonable time, let me know, we'll ask everyone from varranger to send an email.

that's the response we like Dan. Keep it coming, and I hope we can get it soon in Canada.

SOOO Dan, don't forget to keep us up to date as you go through the machine, you have a lot of excited people on the other end.

Interesting, not sure if I can say HUHUm. That's alright. Let us know how it sounds.

Dan where did u buy it from, and how much you lucky guy.

Hi Dan, is it possible to create your own drum styles and incorporate them into a style. For example to creater a samba beat, have three variations, and three different fills, and to be able to place them in a midi file or a style.

thanks D

Hi dennis, lets say a playlist program i use on windows 7 with a mouse, if it works on windows 8, will it automatically be touch sensitive.

dan are all programs runing on windows 8 manouverable by touch screen. For example if varranger runs on windows 8 is it the operating system that makes it a touchscreen program.

 congratulations,So Dan let me understand, is what you bought the fastest tablet out right now. secondly, the next generation atom do you think it will be enought to power varranger with a sound module.

Merci pour ton travail.je vais essayer de le lire en francais.

you're amazing Dan!!!!!!

So Dan basically what we are hoping for in the sd1000 is an improvement in sound, because the grooves are all from 2006.

Dan I posted my message before I read yours, so it is not ananswer to your message

I care about the quality of the styles. If it is the same rythms as the 2006 grooves, but the sounds are all improved (greater illusion of live musicians) then it is a hit. Remember that is Ketron's raison d'etre, not to sound like a mastered studio recording, but to have the illusion of a live band.

from what I understand, the old grooves are basically your percussion track in the styles. These are the new grooves that you can put into your styles, midifiles etc. We have to wait to hear how these grooves sound with the sd1000 to see what kind of improvement we have over the grooves of the sd2.

The sd1000 for varranger styles is basically going to be an improved sd2. How improved we have to see. Is that correct Dan, or am I interpreting it incorrectly.

Dan with these grooves, lets say they are an improvement, can you basically change them in the styles of  Varranger.

Dan, marcello had told me a while back that about 10% of the drum kits sounds were from the Audya. When you put Audya in quotes, are you saying it plays properly on the Audya.

The grooves are up on the site for the sd1000. I saw a date of 2006 on the files (introduction of the sd2). Would be interesting to see if the grooves play with the sd2. Let me know if anyone tries it out before I do.

Yes Dan the message was sent as a joke. Your resposibilities are very different from mine. I am not asking you to base my decision on the purchase, I have already put an order in, I was just referring to how matter of fact you are. I appreciate the work you are going to put into it, and am looking forward to your observations.

yeah Dan stays pretty cool, I asked him what are your first impressions after reading the initial documents? He answered when I get it I'll let you know. BANG.

Wow I guess they are trying to discourage from buying foreign. Twenty-five per cent is high. We being another commonwealth nation have about a thirteen percent consumption tax.

DanI am looking for the thread to the atmel dream chip, can you repost.

I run usb to my rme ucx, and simply midi out from the rme. The rme runs in asynchrnous mode usb 2.0. I would imagine that the issues with the ketron  usbsd1000 have been bypassed.

As soon as I get the price verified I'm shipping one into Canada. Thanks Paolo for the price.

I do not think anything in the ketron line has balanced outs. Often noisy problems is more due to a crappy power supply than using unbalanced outs. Are you sure that the sd1000 has both a/d and d/a converters. Where would it convert analog to digital. You are right though you want good converters you have to pay the bucks.

Alright good news, the price is out. So 399 euros is about $520 Canadian. Like I said a long time ago (lucky guess) under $600. I guess they hope on selling a lot of them at that price.

looking forward to hear how the multivoice and stereo samples sound. Also I'm sure the user effects will make for some interesting sounds. Dan do you think it will be a lot of work for you to bring the sd1000 up and running on Varranger

I put a call to italmelodie (canadian distributor) and cmc (american distributor). They said they will call me back by tomorrow with news. Unfortunately Ketron does not have the users manual nor the software yet up on their site. Hang in there Jon I am pretty excited myself. Hopefully I can get a few companies competing against one another for the price, don't want to pay a high fee for being the first.

Hey jon, i got the same email. good to see you are ON THE BALL. I am going to call the canadian distributor, let you know.

Dan can you tell if the guitars are audio

The subject was closed Paolo, Since you commented i will answer you directly. Do not assume why Dan told me not to speak about varranger. Secondly I only want the sounds of an audya or anything else for that matter if I can control it with a chord program. I am a singer and a percussionist, do not wish to trigger chords from a keyboard if i don't have to. I am looking for creative ways to use things if possible. Yes the sd1000 will probably be an improvement, it is not the only solution, will be most probably the one i use. Thankyou for your comment if you  ever want to continue this discussion we can do it in Italian  at   angelo_garofalo@videotron.ca

Hey Dan the first demo coming out of Musikmesse on the Midjay pro 
http://www.suoniestrumenti.it/blog/unitsofsound/post/musikmesse_frankfurt_2013_arranger_e_pianoforti_stage


Scroll to the bottom and listen to the demo

there is a good chance, the new midjaypro will not sync because it has audio drums in the styles. Is that correct or not neccassarily.

I know it is still early, but the sd1000 will be midi drums with some audio samples for snare, rim shot etc. Does that mean automatically it won't be able to sync, or it is possible in theory.

Is that because audio can never sync to midi.

Before anyone gets upsert I am not interested in BIAB, I am interested in the theory, and I would to use the varranger to see if I can control a midjay ( I didn't mention you know what). Does any sound module that has a keyboard as a seperate controller have to have a midi clock in reception.

Driving the Ketron With BIAB
Load any song set of chords into Band-In-A-Box. Go to Opt. and Click Preferences.
Set Channel# to 16
Set Velocity to a low number (I use 12)
Set note range to 36-60
Leave # ticks before chord change to output on the default which is 40
Leave the Chord Types set to Complex Chords
Click OK
Set the Ketron to receive MIDI time clock. (Highlight Clock in and select)
Go to F6 MIDI and move F10 until you get to User1
Clear everything except set Left to 16
Plug the MIDI output of the computer to the KEYBOARD in of the Ketron. This is different.
Be sure under MIDI Utility F10 that F6 is set to NO and IN/2 Comp is set to Keyboard
Put on KeyStart
Choose a style and pick a BIAB song.
Turn off all the instruments in BIAB except leave Soloist on.
Pick the style you would like to try.
You can pick out different styles on the Ketron while the song is playing to see what you would like.
You can sit and play fills at the correct time.
Set your song chords so that you can use the intro and endings of the Ketron if you like. This takes a bit of planning but it is worth it.


Dan can you take a look at this . It is an old ketron news letter 2004. Is it basically saying that the BIAB program is mimicking the chords of the keyboard and the ketron is responding. I would imagine I could make my ms40 work like this, is that correct.  I guess the key is to receive midi time clock.

No problem Dan

I think with reference to what you are saying, he is saying that midi can not control the audio samples. So how does Band in a box do it. How do they use that chord template to trigger the audio samples. All I wanted was a different way to input chord changes. I am not proficient enough in programming to know how to build that software.

Hey Jon, ya i'm interpreting him a little diffeently. He is not aware of what varranger can do, because I had to correct him, and he gets upset at a program trying to sync up to the Audya. He feels the Audya should only be used as a real time arranger.I told him not everyone  has those needs.  and he gave me an italian expression don't mix water with wine, it ruins the wine. That in a nutshell is what Ketron needs to work on. Supporting their customer base, which is there market,looking at new ways of using something. Get the input of user groups, etc. Look at varranger, one of its biggest reasons for its success is because the owner is constantly listening to ideas from his users.

It  is just my responses to him and his responses that are relevant, they are all in english. He's basically saying they had to cut a lot of people from ketron, so no time for marketing, etc. It is a company that is technologically incredible, but they could use some support in customer service, as varranger does so well. Read what he answers me aftwerwards, and you'll see what I mean.

He is a person who from the software side  and electronics worked on the audya for four years, and on the midjay. He is also the person they send to Musikmesse to do the presentations and explain the machines to the people.

I blogged giorgio marinangeli, the presenter, go to his blog and see what he replied.

Is it just my computer? If you go to ketron.it and click musikmesse 2013 and then click sd1000 demo, you get a blank page. Oh my God.

At Musikmesse 2013 somebody recorded someone playing the audya controlling a midjay or a sd1000. It is awful. taped too far away from the speakers, you here more the ambient music coming out of the other rooms. Talk about rain and cold weather, a freak snowstorm in Montreal quebec canada.

If I remember out here is Australia right. Why so expensive, and was it not posssible to get it from another country

Hey Pax good to see we are having a good time. When the original midjay came out is was about $1850 Canadian, and the sd2 was about $450.

I just can't believe this company in terms of marketing. Two days at Musikmesse and not one youtube clip either about the sd1000 or the midjaypro. The site on ketron concerning the sd1000, the demo does not work, there is nothing there.

Ya Jon I saw that link at 4:00 am on April 10, 2013. Its fine its the specs. I enjoy people's impressions of what they think. For example Marcello has worked hands on, on both machines and I enjoy his perspective and comparison of the two machines. I seek news that is not available to the general public. I assume that everyone that is a ketron fan was aware of what went up on the site april 10 2013. I simply asked someone to decipher that information in terms of how it sounded to them. I think Marcello is quite content with the sd1000, but it is the midjaypro that will have the latest technology.

yes Claudio and ?

Hey Jon it is not only the live sound loops, it is also the sounds that accompany the styles. I asked Marcello , in his opinion, if the midjay comes close to the Audya. He aswered in some ways better because the styles are more flexible. I am hoping for a revolution in sound and I'm glad Ketron is hopefully giving us choices at different price points.

Jon, reading back on your comments i will make a few statements. The sound module could of have streaming of audio samples, ketron just chose not to go that route. an audya for example has the sounds(hardware) and the styles (software) built it, so what.  The audya is a sound module, and Ketron could have run it with an external software. The varranger is the software that does all the calling. The limitaion is not that the sd1000 is only a sound module, the limitation is going to be what technology ketron put into it. I guess they want differentiation between an sd1000, a midjaypro, and the audya. In Ketrons terms, what are you willing to pay for the illusion of live musicians.

hey Jon, well, with the Sd2 and varranger you basically got an sd5. There was no difference (in terms of the arranger) between what a $3500 dollar machine would do vs sd2+computer+varranger.  with this edition the midjay will sound superior to the sd1000+varranger. The styles in the sd5: percussion, accompagnment sounds, were calling sounds that the sd2 had also. The sd2 was the raw ingredients, and the varranger is the styler. You will not be able to make the sd1000 sound like the midjaypro. I am going to have to see once everything is on the market, and see what Dan can do with the sounds from the sd1000, and if he can make the styles work with it, see how that compares to the midjaypro.

Jon , as you know, an arranger deals with illusion, making people believe they are listening to live musicians. The part that has the greatest impact on peoples perception of being "fooled" is the drums and percussion. we'll just have to see. I am still extremely happy with varranger and sd2. I hope the sd1000 plus Dans work will blow the sd2 out of the water, and I hope the midjaypro blows varranger out of the water, so if I choose to buy it is justifiable  (always in the sense of is the illusion real)

Good for ketron all the products will be different from one another. I am going to have to here both and see. We are looking in Canada maybe $650 for the Sd1000, $1800-2100 for the Midjaypro.

My dreams have been shattered. I've been told that the Sd1000 will not be identical (in terms of accompagnment) to the midjaypro. Midjay pro will have real audio slices for drums and percussions . Marcello also said  and I quote" Midjay has a dps with insert effect and program much better than Sd1000. I was asking about the accompagnment sounds in the style.

Buon lavoro Paolo. Good work Paolo

Hey Jon, musikmesse begins on April 10, 2013.  The news is that the midjaypro will not be released the same time as the sd1000. No specific date yet for its release.

grazie,thankyou Paolo. Let me know when you see more demos. Have you heard anything about when the midjaypro will come to market.

just got confirmation from a moderator on another ketron site, will start shipping a week after musikmesse. The sd1000.

Hi Dan,from what I've heard, they come closest to the feel and quality of the ketron styles. I love varranger with the ketron styles, I am quite dissappointed with yamaha and roland, especially the latin ones. Korgs being done in italy, will hopefully be close to the quality of the ketrons.

sorry his exact words were within a few weeks. I got too excited I thought i read two.

Good news from da man. The sd1000 will be to the midjaypro what the sd2 is to the midjay+. I think good news for varranger. He says within a couple of weeks they will begin selling it. I guess to coincide with Musikmesse 2013.

Marcello is da man. So nice of him to answer all of us.

Hi Dan I saw on the french forum you said you hope the sd1000 is compatible with the sd2. We will find out for sure when we have it, but in the meantime I asked Marcello about the percussion mapping, and he answered that it will almost be 100% compatible.The percussion he said 100% and most of the sounds. Dan I'm sure you can ask him better questions than myself, he can be reached at logic1958_at_alice .it      His name is Marcello Colo.

Hi dennis how are you. I am always interested in knowing what people are using and for what application. If I may ask, what setup do you have that makes you say no so fast.

Hi Jon, he is a very nice gentleman. From what he tells me he did the actual splicing, cutting, and putting together of the audya drums.He is a musician and a technician much like our Dan. I emailed him and he answered me both times.  He told me a little about the work he has done on the sd1000, and I am going to ask him to notify me when more demos come out.

Just spoke to marcello,the musician who did the demo. He tells me some more demos will be appearing soon from other musicians. Stay tuned.

I think the gentleman marcello is one of their testers. Most probably Ketron has started their marketing blitz. Expect more demos soon. I emailed Marcello hopefully he will respond. a good assumption to say they are in their final stages of getting ready to bring it to market. What does anyone think about the demo?

I'll be serial number two