latin percussion issues

[angel1000]

Hello everyone, this question is open to everyone. I am having, always had, isuues with the percussion track in the latin rythms that were downloaded with varranger. These are the main rythms that I use. To be specific merengue guitar, vallenato,balada, romantica, rapido, merengue, bolero, cha cha, bachata1, bachata2. Most of the problems are snares and applauses. any solutions ?

[angel1000]

does anyone else have the same issues, or the same sounds on the percussion track that sound off ?

[angel1000]

wow thirty views and not one response. Is anyone using varranger, a very simple question have you ever listened to those latin styles that i have mentioned through an sd2, and have you heard any problems. A simple yes or no will suffice. Thankyou

[Dan]

Sorry for not yet answering...I will try to help you.

Simply post here one of you bad sounding style, and I will try it with my setup, to hear how it's playing.

[pax_eterna]

wow thirty views and not one response. Is anyone using varranger, a very simple question have you ever listened to those latin styles that i have mentioned through an sd2, and have you heard any problems. A simple yes or no will suffice. Thankyou

Hi Angel,

I can only surmise, that many are like me, they have not really used the drum loops much at all, and so cannot shed any light on your issue....I mean you would prefer to get real answers rather than a whole load of posts saying they empathise with your problem but don't really have a solution

I was going to post that in most cases wrong instruments playing drum/percussion parts it is due to mismatched octaves/note pitches but I withdrew it as I deemed it not really helpful I felt a REAL Ketron expert should be the one to answer this one.

So don't think others are not caring for your issue, it is more that others, myself included cannot really assist

Dennis

[angel1000]

Hi pax thanks for the response. Dan, hi, how do i post, and am i to assume that those styles work perfectly in your setup.

[angel1000]

Hi Dan here are a few

[jan1kow]

I never replied as I was buzy making nusic all week. Now I am on a weekend break (first in months) so I have no Ketron/SD2 to test your patterns.
However from experence I usually select the precussion drums track (so its colour is red)  and audition all the available prec. live drum sets and standard drum sets until i hear one that plays the way I think  it should then save the pattern/style in varranger for future use.
I do not see a merengue gtr in the guitat lists but again try all the gtrs till it soulds righy and save the style.
If this is does not help it may be thet the drums need some re-mapping within v arrranger which needs some re-programming by Dan?
jon
uk

[angel1000]

thanks jon, I do try all the different loops, unfortunately they are not optimal. You gus are talking about drum mapping, wrong octave, etc. Are not those loops audio loops, meaning you can't change the sound inside those loops. The percussion track is an audio loop is that correct. The standard drum track which is triggering the sound module sounds okay.

[angel1000]

all those rythms that i mentionned in my first post are in the latin folder of the styles that were given when varranger was bought.

[pax_eterna]

Sorry Angel, my bad...I assumed you were talking midi loops, not the audio....in which case oct/pitch is irrelevant

Dennis

[claudiodecubellis]

hi angel 1000
I tried your styles with SD4.
play perfectly without any problems

[angel1000]

Hi claudio, thanks for trying them out. If it is possible, can you tell me what the percussion audio track is for the merenguito and for the valenato. Mine is merengue1 and I am getting an applause sound, and for the valenato it is cumbia2 and getting a donkey sound. Thankyou once again for the support.

[claudiodecubellis]

hi angel
my track sounds percussion:
merenguito = merengue1
vallenato = cumbia 2

[angel1000]

thanks claudio, so why do I have an applause sound in an audio loop. Either the audioloop is not playing or the applause sound is being triggered somehow in channel 10. as we say in Italian Boh! If anyone has any answers basically I am hearing an applause in the merengue 1 audio loop.

[angel1000]

correct me if I am wrong the percussion track is on channel nine and the drum track is on track ten. Why is it that when I open the drum track and bring the level down to zero I am getting a corresponding reduction in the percussion track. For example the merengue style the only sound coming out of the drum track is the kick drum. When I open the drum track channel instrument, and bring down the instrument levels the effect happens on the percussion track.All the instruments that are showing in the drum track channel only the drums is coming out of channel 10.

[angel1000]

I downloaded the loops from ketron.it, played it through sonar and the merengue sounds off just like in varranger. So something maybe wrong with my sd2.

[Dan]

You problem is that your SD2 does not play the correct sound for the PERC track.
It should use the live drums, but instead it is playing the standard drums.
That's why you are getting some claps and applause.

What midi interface are you using?

Try to press the PANIC button of vArranger many times, and see if this corrects.

Or click on the perc track, and change sound for that track, go to piano, then drumset, the live drums... many times..., and see if this corrects.

I remember, when I was writing the first lines of vArranger, I have found a bug with the SD2, who was not selecting the right drum sounds.
I contacted Ketron, and they provided an update firmware for the Ketron SD2, who corrects this problem.

Unfortunately, 90% of my friends who updated their SD2, simply crashed it   (me included !)

So if you want to update your SD2, send it to Italy with some chocolates...

They will do it for you.

I think, this will correct your problems.

[angel1000]

thanks dan, is it the same firmware update as the serial number issue. Also will a new sd2 have the same problems, and I guess that means i have not listened to an audio loop yet. Why is it when i downloaded the loops i'm seeing it as midi data in the event list. My midi interface is an rme ucx.

[Dan]

Yes the new firmware also corrects the SD2 crash.
New SD2 have the new firmware already installed, and don't have this problems.
LIVE DRUMS are taken from audio loops, but the wave data were cut by Ketron in small parts, and they put them in an instrument.
Every key is a part of the loop.

Try selecting LIVE DRUMS for your right hand sound, and play them. You will hear what I mean. (If your SD2 allows it)

[angel1000]

Thanks Dan, I am going to bring it to the the dealer and get it fixed. what happened to your fried sd2 did ketron fix it for free?

[Dan]

Your SD2 is still under guarantee?
Does your SD2 crashs with the SDcrash midifile?

[angel1000]

Hi Dan the note constantly stays on, I guess that is a crash. I would imagine the warranty is over. I opened up some of the styles in sonar, I split the notes and there is separation between channel 9 and channel 10. If I change the patch on channel 9 channel 10 sounds do not get affected. If i change the patch on channel 10 the sounds on channel 9 do not get effected. Dan can you send me an audio of lets say a cha cha percussion, and a mambo percussion. I would like to see if the problem is everything or specifically a few styles. what are the percussion files exactly, are the sounds seperate from the soundbanks or are they the same sounds just configured differently.

[jan1kow]

Angel1000
Dan suggested same as I suggested, that you try the LIVE DRUM BANKS instruments in track 9 till you hear the right sound then save.
I dont really follow what you are talking about with AUDIO loops. I thought all loops in styles and pats. are midi loops with Ketron.
I think newer Audya and Tyros use audio loops but not earlier ketron or vArranger in patterns and styles loops??   
Hope you can fix your crash problem. Maybe a firmware update will help this but Dan knows more about this stuff??
jon
uk

[angel1000]

i checked it out in sonar. Basically in the percussion track every note is used . Every note has some midi data. splitting up the notes in the track. The channels seperate properly, channel 10 does not interfere with channel 9. Some of the styles seem to probably be mapped incorrectly, the ones I am having problems with. It goes to the right patch, just the sounds are all off. I tried finding what is good in the track soloing one note at a time nothing works.
2. In Varranger is it correct on channel 10 when I open the editor, latin 1, lating2, latin3 controls the sound of the percussion track.

3. Yes Jon go find another patch, but that is always a compromise, and for me only a temp[orary fix. I would like to find a solution to this problem.

[Dan]

I just recorded your 2 styles with my vArranger and my Ketron SD2.
Nothing changed. Recorded as is.

Here you can listen to the result :

http://www.varranger.com/audio/DemoLatinSD2vArranger.mp3

If you don't get the same sound, your SD2 need to be upgraded or is damaged.

[angel1000]

Hi dan, thankyou for the mp3. The cumbia sounds the same. I attached a midifile with the merengue style, all notes split, see if you can make something out of it.

[angel1000]

Hi Dan, I just thought about this maybe you can check the mapping of the notes compared to your file. If they map the same,notes, patch, timing, etc, then the problem is my sd2, If they don't map the same then the problem is the PAT file.

[angel1000]

Hi dan , have you downloaded my file. And have you had a chance to compare my file with yours in terms of the percussion mapping.

[Dan]

Your midifile is sounding OK with my SD4.
Live drums on channel 9

[angel1000]

Thanks Dan, so the sequence is correct,probably something wrong with my machine, or the midi interface. Why only a few patterns and not all of them. Dan can you give me an educated guess as to where I should look. Number one the upgrade, any other ideas. It is not the end of the world but it is a glitch I would like to remedy.

[Dan]

Can you record an audio mp3 of what is bothering you, so we can search on the right direction.

[angel1000]

alright Dan I'll do that tomorrow. Thanks for your help.

[angel1000]

Alright Dan here is the file in mp3

[Dan]

OK !  I can hear that the channel 9 is playing a standard drumkit instead of the live drums.

I played your midifile with vArranger and my SD2, and i do'nt have your problem. The percussion track is playing good.

Your problem is only with sonar, or even when you play the midifile with vArranger?

[angel1000]

I guess the problem seems to be the sd2.

[Dan]

Yes. I think your SD2 need an update.

When you create many tracks for the same midi channel, as you did, the software is sending the PROGRAM CHANGE many times, and this cause the SD2 to not select the right sound.

Can you try this midifile? I removed some things that can bug the SD2

[angel1000]

Hi dan, thanks for the effort. I split all my drums and percussions to mute what I play over, and it has never given me a problem. It might very well be that those patches are corrupted themselves. I probably need for the rom to be reprogrammed. They sounded the same even when they were not split. I'm just going to wait for the sd1000, in the meantime try to get this one fixed. Thanks once again.