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Offline nakeyer

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Everything below is my IMHO
« on: November 10, 2020, 09:55:32 AM »
Everything below is my IMHO!!!

What I am thinking about vArranger...
I decided not to buy it. Why? There are several reasons:

1. The prize is nearly 400 Euro. For only 150 Euro I can buy (and I already bought it) the very nice device - Yamaha QY100. For my 150 Euro I have in it:
https://www.xshtstong.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=579757
Anyway the sound is MUCH better than Soft Synths from vArranger and also from TyRus (the software XG synth I mentioned in the "The best VST Synth" topic). On the moment I don't know the VST synth with better sounds than these two.
FULL possibility of XG format, multitrack sequencer, auto-accompaniment section with very easy creating of your own styles, DSP for external guitar or microphone, etc...
At all - very nice toy to play, record and enjoy your music ideas for much lower prize than vArranger!
Take a look here how it works in the good hands (not mine  :)):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwUWwhrJQbY&t=618s&ab_channel=JayB

2. Some things I will never use in vArranger.
I am talking about "Channel Sound Edit" for example. Does somebody really perform any setting in this feature on-fly?
I prefer to make all these settings in MIDI file, but... There is no possibility to create multitrack MIDI file from my playing in vArranger. Why? What are the advantage of ACC software if I can not record my music exercises!..
In that meaning the OneManBand software http://www.1manband.nl/omb/index.htm
is much and much interesting also with it's prize - 50 Euro!!  ;)
"MIDI EVENT LIST" - how many times somebody use this feature in vArranger? What do they do with it?  :D
"ARABIC SCALE" - the lovers of Arabic Scale will prefer this software https://www.sofeh.com/ I think..

3. The Sound Module that can be used only with vArranger - it is nonsense. Even the sound module in modern real Genos will bring tired from it after two years when Yamaha will create the new SuperGenos  :D! And the presence of FREE soft synth TyRus which is at last not worse than soft synth of vArranger makes the last one absolutely unnecessary.
To say, the idea of adding Kontakt sampler with different samples.. Nice idea for play during ..a week. At last everybody will stop at the 3 or 4 sounds witch will be the "lovely" for right hand. And using Kontakt for accompaniments tracks is a real headache because Kontakt was created not for this  purpose, because all styles has unpredictable instruments! So - there must be the Standard sound module for ACC section (better to have XG standard module). Kontakt was made for software DAW, not for ACC toy.

4. I can not imagine the situation when the number of free styles for Yamaha in internet will be not enough and it make me to need Ketron styles and vArranger Ketron sound module with it's doubtful quality..
I am overloaded with Yamaha styles for all my needs and can not imagine the person who is not overloaded with them. Only the historical love to Kerton makes them to find more styles than they can have (for free!) for Yamaha.

In sum.. vArranger will be nice music toy for the prize about.. OK!.. 60 Euro, not more!

Thank you for reading! And sorry me for my bad English.

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Re: Everything below is my IMHO
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2020, 10:09:07 AM »
Have a good day  8)

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Re: Everything below is my IMHO
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2020, 12:02:07 AM »
Ha Ha,
Clearly the opening poster is a guy that spends an awful lot of time delving into minuscule details about every aspect of all things great and small throughout the whole of the galaxy and beyond!!!!!!!
The majority of the rest of us just like playing music as loud as possible

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Re: Everything below is my IMHO
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2020, 06:25:12 AM »
Ha ha!
I can recommend this guy the empty pot and stick. There is nothing more simple to make a loud sound. No?  ;)
« Last Edit: November 11, 2020, 06:27:19 AM by nakeyer »

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Re: Everything below is my IMHO
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2020, 01:49:14 PM »
QY100.....  :o LOL, MDR and OMG are in a boat, one falls into the sea, which remains on it ? !!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D


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Re: Everything below is my IMHO
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2020, 02:41:32 AM »
Not to drive this to negative route, but to defend QY100.
QY100 was way ahead of the game when it came out. It is a very fun little unit. There is a gentleman (in France) who is still active that had many styles converted to that sequencer.

But... The biggest and the most underappreciated difference between VA and QY100 (at least to me) that you can make your styles in matter of minutes from material from any other styles in QY. Even with that ancient  by technology standards machine, that was/is possible.     

I talked about this style assembly feature on this forum, but people seem to have very little enthusiasm... I still think it would be an excellent feature. One simple example would be this: You like style A, but you do not like drums in it, but you do like the drums in style B. In QY 100 that would take less than 1 minute to replace. Yes, sure you can use DAW... and climb mount Everest, but it would make things much more interesting and simpler if done within VA.

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Re: Everything below is my IMHO
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2020, 06:53:23 AM »
For mixing parts of Yamaha styles there is this free utility:
http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/sremix/index.htm

Or you can use this great editor:
https://www.midisoft.pl/en/#strona-dn

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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2020, 07:03:39 AM »
Hi!
Nice to see the user of QY100!
I can add that QY100 has some features that were not described at all or were described very superficially in User Manual.
For example not a lot of QY100 users knows that:
1. QY100 can show the lyrics of the song and 'smiles'! Look on my video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtZHWEmNDWw&ab_channel=nakeyer
You can insert lyrics using XGWorks software for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9HYsnFMc3I&ab_channel=nakeyer
2. It is possible to construct the new voice from the existing with separate settings for each voice! A kind of possibility from Yamaha QS 300. Look on another my video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQPIShXKqcQ&ab_channel=nakeyer
3. Batteries can bring you only about 4 hours to play, but power bank with DC/DC adapter from 5v to 9v can bring you about 24 hours :)
4. The old operation system in QY100 is very slow. So it takes much time to load song or style from SM card. Much time takes to list the existing files in a folder. More quickly is to do the same with Android mobile phone with free software on it.
Another one my video (sorry, it is in Russian):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynbuwMcVa1I&t=472s&ab_channel=nakeyer
5. It is very easy to connect USB MIDI keyboard to QY100 (sure to QY70 too) using MIDI Host box:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCovmDw30SQ&ab_channel=nakeyer

Thank you for watching!
« Last Edit: November 13, 2020, 08:01:43 AM by nakeyer »

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Re: Everything below is my IMHO
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2020, 07:18:17 AM »
For mixing parts of Yamaha styles there is this free utility:
http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/sremix/index.htm
QY100 allows not only to mix parts of styles, but also to copy any parts (of any MIDI track)   from any MIDI song, any number of bars and paste them as a part (so-called 'phrases') into any style.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2020, 07:41:40 AM by nakeyer »

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Re: Everything below is my IMHO
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2020, 11:49:33 AM »
v.muller,
Yes and there some other software too that would allow that. Unfortunately they are all very old and buggy.
It would be great to have ability to mix styles from different keyboards, as OP mentioned," phrases" right in VA.

For now, I hope Dan finishes some promised items with the NEXT version...

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Re: Everything below is my IMHO
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2020, 12:33:28 PM »
I'm also newbie and very happy with vArranger. For me 349€ is not such an high price fora piece of soft done by an indepent developper. Ok, could be less, sure

I like the idea of download and share styles and songs. I've also looked to Band in a Box and is not true you can get it for 50$. Ok, maybe a demo or "lite" package. For everthing else you have to pay up to 500/600 bucks.

With vArranger I can have, not one, but many arrangers from diferent brands and a more "do it yourself" philosofty

Well hope that this can improve on the future, because it is more and more difficult to compete with big companies



 

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Re: Everything below is my IMHO
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2020, 07:47:25 PM »

"....With vArranger I can have, not one, but many arrangers from diferent brands and a more "do it yourself" philosofty....."


OK, my friend! May I ask you - how many arrangers do you need to be happy? How many styles of ACC do you need to say 'that's enough for all my needs, for all my songs'? 
Maybe 1000? Maybe 10,000? Let's say it will take you about 3 min. to try one style.. How much time it will take you to try 1000 styles? ;)
There are about 100,000 styles for free in the internet only in Yamaha format. Can you tell me about the situation you will need also styles in Korg format?
Sorry, I really don't know such situation... :)
Persons buy different brands of ACC stations because of their different sounds, not because they really need more styles!
The voices of vArranger's synths are simply the toy, to say truth. So.... What to say...

P.S. Band in a Box is the software for much different purpose than vArranger. It's not correct to compare them....

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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2020, 10:24:34 PM »
I find it convenient to have this cross brand compatibility, so my friend who has a Yamaha arranger and sends me a style he likes,  I simply can try it out, play and adapt to my system fast and easy. Same with another friend who has a Roland sound module!
Varranger is by far the best software arranger available and still getting better, therefore I decided to put my money on it, now after 8 months I am very satisfied.