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Started by Bachus, October 23, 2014, 02:28:17 PM

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Bachus

Does anyone overhere have access to the Tyros 4 soundset that came with keystar and live styler...

It was a set of 1400 sounds including all the megavoices, and worked quite well for Yamaha styles containing megavoices...


Sadly the producer of Live-styler died recently, which makes both the software as the sound database unavailable...   But it seems those megavoices might come in handy for Varranger...

Dan

Some users bought LiveStyler previously before coming to vArranger.
The have the library, and it works OK with vArranger too.

ovation99

I just wonder if anyone would be kind enough to post them on this forum?  ;) ;D ;D ;D :) :) :)

Bachus

Quote from: Dan on October 24, 2014, 10:52:16 AM
Some users bought LiveStyler previously before coming to vArranger.
The have the library, and it works OK with vArranger too.

Dan, but isnt having the megavoices a requirement to make most Yamaha styles sound decent? (Asuming that from all new yamaha styles there is atleast one track with megavoices)

Dan

vArranger own a special algorythm to render the megavoices tracks on any normal GM sound.
It's not as good as the original, but it does a pretty good job on most styles.

lee

No one will ever take over from Norbert....so we can get the Megasamples??
Without a good Megasamples...more recent Yamaha styles using Mega will not be as good for lots of reasons.
I have used Live-Styler a few years ago with a couple pretty good sample library's and the styles were decent...but did not approach a T3-T5 sound.
All you get is the sound of an older PSR Yamaha.
It has always been a big issue.

And I found many of those Mega styles needed lots of tweeking to sound at all good.

Lee


Dan

I don't know if Live Styler mega samples sounds as good as the Tyros.
They need to be velocity mapped exactly the same with special velocity curves.
Not easy to do...
Someone is actually sampling many keyboards he own, for his own vArranger use, including mega voices, drum kits, etc..
I will talk more about this in 2015

Pekilik

#7
I know where you can buy very much Tyros 2 instruments for Kontakt 5 which is maped the same as on Tyros, it is not very expensive only 62$ but it's very good sound quality 24bit, there is very much Super articulation voices and Mega Voices from Tyros 2, if Dan allow I can put link here, I tested and work very good with vArranger but I had reroute because Dan make routing velocity and notes for msb008 and lsb000 where is place for Mega voices in all Mods (xg, gm etc...).

lee

Please send me a e-mail or PM of the site...to check out the sound set.
Thanks,
Lee

Bachus

Quote from: Dan on December 28, 2014, 12:16:37 AM
I don't know if Live Styler mega samples sounds as good as the Tyros.
They need to be velocity mapped exactly the same with special velocity curves.
Not easy to do...
Someone is actually sampling many keyboards he own, for his own vArranger use, including mega voices, drum kits, etc..
I will talk more about this in 2015

Its March 2015....

Dan

Now there is 2 people doing this :)

lee

I heard French distributor took over Norberts stuff.
Is it true?
If it is ,,,,MAYBE we can buy the sound set hard drive soon????
Anyone know who to check on this with...please do & let us know.
I am a licensed holder for Live-Styler...I missed out on buying the sound set....I would like it.
Thanks,
Lee

agaton

#12
Hmmmm... it is not the first class, also not the second... I was in last time in
developer stuff and I remember it was automated sampled (Sample Doctor or
so one program). This, what they sampled, was not professional work. They
sampled whole Sound Programs, not the Elements (Multisamples) to make later
originaly sound programs. It was sampled with Vibrato (LFO) and sometimes
also with effects (f.e. Chorus or Flanger). It can play Styles in vArranger2, that
is no problem, vArranger2 can route and play all, but sound quality is bad.
Looping was not so good, sound program editing is poor... etc... etc.

sdada

I bought from Norbert  sf2 bank PSR-3000
He presented other banks to me - we cooperated in improvement of quality of sounding of its banks
At the moment I continue to be engaged in creation of qualitative banks, but already for varrrrr - as more precisely working.
I could share these banks.
I have PSR-3000,Tyros 2,Tyros 4,Ketron SD2    sf2 banks.
It is a pity that in vArranger2 there is no opportunity to use structure of banks of a Yamaha and megavoysa in their original form
I hope Dan will add this function in future release.

silviuturcu

SDADA !!When you share the bank tyros 4 Live-styler? and not just keep it just for you.

sdada

OK....
I can begin to share...
I am interested in opinion Dan - he resolves?
Forum its property.

silviuturcu

solves solves! he always solved everything. we just have to have patience

sdada

my bed inglish!!!!((((
That is - permission to placement of URLs

sdada

Dan says -
there will be an internal forum for users of an iiiiiya
there I will be able to give URLs.....
or write me

ovation99


sdada

Dan says -
there will be an internal forum for users of an vArranger2
there I will be able to give URLs.....
or write me

sdada

Quote from: agaton on March 14, 2015, 10:33:15 PM
Hmmmm... it is not the first class, also not the second... I was in last time in
developer stuff and I remember it was automated sampled (Sample Doctor or
so one program). This, what they sampled, was not professional work. They
sampled whole Sound Programs, not the Elements (Multisamples) to make later
originaly sound programs. It was sampled with Vibrato (LFO) and sometimes
also with effects (f.e. Chorus or Flanger). It can play Styles in vArranger2, that
is no problem, vArranger2 can route and play all, but sound quality is bad.
Looping was not so good, sound program editing is poor... etc... etc.

Yes.....You right!
I'm user Live-Styler....
Then we did new samples for bank SD2
Norbert used them and wanted to replace the in bank SD2 on its disks
But its program brings many mistakes in style play
Only vArranger2 plays correctly - we long checked
it influenced our decision to do bank for vArranger2 SD2
why not SF2?
If all tools to do SF2 - the big memory size, big volume of samples, long loading
Though I and the supporter of SF2, but we used Vsampler 3, only in it it is possible to connect samples in a stereo and mono at the same time (SF2 can't)
its possibilities of a sampler allow to imitate work of an internal tone generator of SD2
It we win the volume of samples at the same quality
We can keep all bank in memory - instant loading at style play!

sdada

#22
Quote from: lee on March 14, 2015, 09:43:37 PM
I heard French distributor took over Norberts stuff.
Is it true?
If it is ,,,,MAYBE we can buy the sound set hard drive soon????
Anyone know who to check on this with...please do & let us know.
I am a licensed holder for Live-Styler...I missed out on buying the sound set....I would like it.
Thanks,
Lee
Norbert had no official dealer neither in France, nor in Germany, on in the CIS.
To me he suggested to become one of dealers - but any documents, simply the arrangement - to receive 10 euros from each sale through my site.
All samples were blocked for use only with LIVE-Styler.
I have disks  Tyros 4 bank  without blocking.
It is possible to use with a varranzher or other sampler.
Send me on mail

agaton

#23
The site of Live Styler is closed and Live Styler is closed. Norbert died and also
Live Styler died. No more selling of software for Live Styler and no one dealer
who officialy support Live Styler. Nobody have licence to distribution of the Live
Styler and Adds !!! Apropos LS Content Tyros 4, it is very, very bad !!! It is not
in the same league like vArranger2 wich is the first on the chart and the best !!!
I don't understand why we discus about Live Styler. Here is site of vArranger2.

lee

agaton,
It is about sounds...not LS software.
There was a LS Tyros 2 and 4 sound set.
We were hoping it was outstanding and we could use it with Va2.

If it is not outstanding then.... I would not want it anyway.
Lee

agaton

Yes, I know this is about sounds. The last price of whole pack was 250 Euros.
I know all about it, because I was in last staff by Live Styler and I know that
nobody has conssesion to continue with distribution of this software. I don't
know can we distribute it as free software, I mean no !!! How ever, it is bad
sampled and edited content, and can't be destination for one vArranger user,
to play with Tyros 4 bad sampled sounds. Why than not buy Tyros and play with
its original sounds ? vArranger2 offer to play with best sounds of VST instruments
or one best quality vArranger2 Synthesizer Content. This is the most important
thing by vArranger2, to be much better as all hardware arrangers.

sdada

Here in it I agree with you.
Bank Tyros 4 was left very unfinished - it was necessary to correct a lot of curve dynamics and loudness
Work there is only begun
Also I won't continue it with this set
so far in vArranger2 there is no opportunity to use megavoice
Besides uses Yamaha in styles only about eight banks - the rest - is unnecessary
For the right hand - three banks of a superarticulation

silviuturcu

Agaton. why do not you start to sell your TA sound? then continue with the updates.

agaton

#28
It must be at first finished, to be distributed. It is no go,
with updates. I haven't time to finished it. I am too busy
in studio and on production of my Trans Audio Systems
Instruments. I hope it will be finished in the next two weeks.

silviuturcu

#29
Trans Audio Sistemi instruments? What are you building?

agaton

Highest power Audio Computer as Sound Module with
vArranger2, Digital Mixer (8, 16, 24... 52 channels),
Audio and Midi Recorder, Style editor... By big models
is one 27" Multitouch Screen on board. It is on specialy
edited Windows 8.1 not after instalation, but before on
instal Windows DVD. All of aplications and services which
have no essentiality to do with audio, were cuted or deleted,
So we have one perfect audio-windows for our instruments.
We have many models from Minima (11 x 11 x 6 cm) but
also based on i7 CPU, to Trans Audio Maxima with power
from i7 CPU @5.0GHz, 32GB RAM and 4 SSD disks in RAID 0
Modus with Transfer Rate about 2.000 MB/sec. By normal Hard
Disks is this Transfer Rate about 100 MB/sec. Instruments have
many Midi Controllers, to control all functions from vArranger2
and other aplications. There are a few first informations about
Trans Audio instruments.

sdada

on this way I went liontrax?Liontron?(no remember) - died because it is difficult, often goes wrong
I too tried.... not steadily.
It only for itself is possible.

agaton

#32
Lionstrax was very bad and on Linux System make man no audio !!!
Very, very poor contigent of audio programs, effects and instruments.
There were a few attempts to make so one big and stable music
workstation, for live and studio, but basicaly problem was to make
stable Audio Windows. We have made groundwork: a perfect OS and
it was the term to made one very flexible, and complex music
workstation. It has minimal latency of 1ms (by poliphony of over
500 voices, with all effects and dynamic tools from digital mixer) and
make its job without any problem. On tests it played with full power,
a few days and nights withot pause, but also without any disturbs. 
I splend over 15 years on this idee, and just now are hardware
and software on the level what I need to implement and enforce all
what I wont to have. Specialy thanx to vArranger2, which is a major
aplication on Trans Audio instruments.
 

sdada

can be, can be....
God grant!
Then it will be the first normal system on Windows....
And on a Linux.... You, probably, don't know but Yamaha Motif use Linux)))))

silviuturcu

very interesting !! congratulations

agaton

#35
Thanx silviuturcu !!!


Quote from: sdada on April 22, 2015, 08:41:40 PM
can be, can be....
Not "can be" it is !!!

Quote from: sdada on April 22, 2015, 08:41:40 PMAnd on a Linux.... You, probably, don't know but Yamaha Motif use Linux)))))
Yes I know that. I make customer engineering bei Yamaha Central for
Europe over ten years, it is closed to me, near Hamburg-Germany. It
is very simple to make Linux as one closed audio system and programed
it only to do what is needed to make one Motif !!! Our Audio Windows is
one total open system with thousands of different usages and to make so
one system as 100% stable audio workstation is a very big job. I said that
is open system, it means that user can instal Plugins or programs. On Yamaha
Motifs Linux it is not possible !!! That is a very big major difference !!!

silviuturcu

but audio processor uses for the sound card with all those channels?

agaton

I don't understand, which audio processor,
which audio card and what of channels ? 
Please try to explain.

silviuturcu

 (mixer digitale (8, 16, 24 ... 52 canali),   THAT SOUND CARD? THAT CHIP? DSP?

agaton

#39
Yes, there were Audio Interfaces and ADAT ADDA Converter to become
specific number of Input and Output channels, but without anyone DSP.
Computer CPU make a whole job, DSP Card is not needed !!! CPU is the
newest Intel i7 Processor clocked on maximum speed (@5GHz), with huge
power on minimal Latenc (1ms). And Audio Interfaces which we use must
be the best class (for example, one of them is RME Fireface 802 or similar).
Only with the best Audio Interfaces we can make all of that what I wrote !!!

Bachus

Well, agaton, i cant wayt to eat the proof of your pudding...

If i can run both ableton live and V-arranger in paralel at your hardware that would be awesome..



{ however you are wrong about Linux, linux is exceptonally customisable and is a great OS for music instruments, with realtime processing kernel moduels loaded. Tough sad thing is that the best VST and music software are programmed for Windows or Mac(which is actually Unix) and most of these cant be reliably ported to Linux. But Linux itselves with its very modular structure would be awesome as base of any hardware instruments..   The failure of lionstracs is not because it runs on linux, but because most of the development team where amateurs}

Now give us some bones to chew on while we wayt for your new system...

agaton

#41
I know all about Linux, I don't said that is wrong OS for audio
but, it is nothing, but realy nothing of HQ software instruments
and audio programs what we can use for Linux. That is a problem,
a big problem and I as one developer, have not time to wait for
someone who will program all software instruments in a best
quality, what we have now for Windows and MAC. I have not so
much time to spend. Linux is for me "past tense" !!!

To your question. Yes, you can run both, ableton live and V-arranger
parallel, and in addition, for example, Studio One 2 Professional and
four or five instances of Kontakt 5 and few instances of Emulator X3
and... and.. and.. all of that will be work perfectly. We talk here about
one audio system with CPU clocked on 8 x 5.0GHz, 16 or 32GB RAM and
4 or 6 SSD discs in RAID 0 with 2.000 to 4.000MB/sec and all of that on
specialy tweaked Audio Windows. It is "row power" of best hardware to time !!!

I shall make some pictures and some specifications and also some demos
of one Trans Audio system model. To time you can go to vArranger2 facebook
site to hear some audio demos from Trans Audio.

Phil

Keep on the great work Agaton!

I was planning to buy the Ketron SD1000 with the V-arranger2, but since it I will mainly use for home-use, I guess I could wait for the TA sound engine from you TA System Instruments to be made available in version 1.8 . But for me to make this decision, I would like to know if your sound engine would significantly drive up the price  of version 1.8, because if so I would rather first invest in de Ketron SD1000 and only upgrade to your superior TA sound engine if I was not to satisfied with the Ketron SD1000 (which to me sound more than adequate presently). If your complete TA sound engine however would be simply included in version 1.8 at no (or little) addional cost compared to the current version, it would not make economically sense for me to invest in a Ketron SD1000 as the sounds in your TA sound engine are superior to the Ketron SD1000. In this case I would just have to join the line of hopeful fans waiting on V-arranger2 version 1.8 with the TA sound engine included.

Are your willing/ are you at liberty to share any thoughts about this Agaton?

agaton

Yes Phil !!! It is no problem. You can save your money, with TA Sound Engine,
because it will be much, much cheaper as SD1000. To time is SD1000 about 450 €
in Germany, TA Sound Engine will be only one part of this price. I can't say now the
price of TA Sound Engine, but it will be significantly more favourable as SD1000.
The sound quality of SD1000 is very well, and it is to my mind, and not only to my,
better as whole actual arranger loby !!! TA Sound Engine has the high quality sounds,
you can hear it on vArranger2 facebook site, and shure  they are  better as on SD1000.
Specialy Drum kits, Drums and Percussion Loops (about 500 Loops in 128 Sound
Programs on Bank 4 like on SD1000). Also all other sounds are maked in Emulator X3,
and than converted in SF2 format. Emulator X3 is the closest format to SF2, (they are
from same brand). So I had become high quality sounds, most of them with natural
resonator of realy instruments, or typical ambient of them. I would say, be patient, it
will be soon !!!

Phil

 :) :) :)
Woh Agaton!!!
Thanks in advance, as I believe than - in reading all the earlier comments - all the (30 year) of expertise/ time/ sweat is not reflected in the fee. So thank you again for this great favor!

p.s. 1 will aftertouch be available in the scripting/ layering (sorry, I do not know the appropriate terminology for it) of the samples as I am concidering of using a XKey 37 of CME in conjunction with my Bohm Musica Digital 1030 XL, hopefully being able to mirror Hector Oliveira's performance of the latest Roland Atelier with strings on You Tube.

p.s. 2 How will the Hammond modelling be, simple like the Ketron or more detailled like the KeyB (this last sound makes me tingle)

p.s. 3 Will church organ be properly represented? Since today I am forced to use Hauptwork, which is very good, but a bundled sound engine with proper church organ sounds will be much easier to use

p.s. 4 Will the ensemble function (like in the Tyros 5) be used in your TA Sound Engine in which when playing a cord the lowest notes are played by the bass instrument, the highest notes by the soprano instrument and the middle notes by the (a guess ) tenor instrument


The 4 ps's are by no means a deciding factor for me, as for me the reference was the Ketron SD1000 module, but with such high aspirations of exceeding the hardware arrangers you have made me wonder. Since I am by no means a sound engineer I do however have no idea on how much work the above p.s.'s would take to be fullfilled, so please do not be distracted by them and what ever your point of view on these 4 matters I wish you much success in finishing up your very ambitious project , that I know will make many people (me included) very, very happy :-* :-* :-*

Dan

The vArranger synth is understanding the polyphonic aftertouch.
For now it is only connected to vibrato, but I will maybe add more options later (like volume, filter, pitch..).

Dan

You can load VST instruments with vArranger. There is many organ modeling VST like VB3 or B4II or Hauptwork etc...
We will add kind of Harmony / Ensemble later too

Phil

Thanks for your swift reply Dan. When I try to run Hauptwork standalone together with another standaloneVST, hauptwork does not allow the other standalonevst to access asio-drive soundcard (or vice versa), I suppose this is not the case when the hauptwork vst is loaded into vArranger2? In anycase I am looking very much forward to the addition of the TA sound engine. If there are no latency issues with the Asio sounddrivers (and I expect none, since my very heavy Hauptwork organ has no latency issues, dispite the stock sound card installed), then you'll see me ordering for the vArranger. The fact the harmony/ ensemble function will be added will only add icing on the cake...

Dan

Yes, don't run Hauptwork standalone, but only the VST version inside vArranger.
vArranger works well with all soundcards without latency (for now)