KETRON SD1000 SOUNDS DEMO

[Dan]

1/20 : KETRON SD1000 PIANO SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/iNJyKyR-8v4

2/20 : KETRON SD1000 ELECTRIC PIANO SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/ixqOz1MXG1U

3/20 : KETRON SD1000 CHROMATIC SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/S-SQX95Gpso

4/20 : KETRON SD1000 ORGAN SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/Ijk3CuFbYKE

5/20 : KETRON SD1000 ACCORDION SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/ojnAughpt-0

6/20 : KETRON SD1000 ACOUSTIC GUITARS SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/bvTQOMhqNaY

7/20 : KETRON SD1000 ELECTRIC GUITAR SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/eA6t6IB73p8

8/20 : KETRON SD1000 BASS SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/egt9eHHFyYs

9/20 : KETRON SD1000 STRINGS SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/K67zjwWjU4g

10/20 : KETRON SD1000 CHOIR SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/BizadB27x1o

11/20 : KETRON SD1000 BRASS SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/jIsgByHf_6w

12/20 : KETRON SD1000 SAX SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/RbfhxTiv_t0

[angel1000]

thanks Dan, great work. nice to listen to the Sd1000 for the people that do not have it yet. Looking forward to all the sounds.

[WallyH]

Hi Dan,
Great work demonstrating the new SD1000. Is that your new Microsoft Surface Pro that is running vArranger?
Wally

[Dan]

YES The new Surface Pro is perfect for my vArranger !

To give you a true idea of the SD1000 sounds, I had to record the sound directly from the sd1000 outs, separately from the video camera.
And then, mix and synchronize the sound and image together. I am sure that it should exists easier ways to do it.

It's hours of work for every videos.

The next coming video will be the Electric Pianos category

[jan1kow]

I always wondered how the audio and video was recorded to give good audio.
Is it not possible to put the SD1000 out lead directly into the video camera microphone input.
jon

[Dan]

I don't have a mic input in my video camera

[pax_eterna]

what camera are you using Dan?

[Dan]

2/20 : KETRON SD1000 ELECTRIC PIANO SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/ixqOz1MXG1U

[Dan]

I have the SANYO Xacti SH1

[Dan]

3/20 : KETRON SD1000 CHROMATIC SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/S-SQX95Gpso

[pax_eterna]

Hi Dan thanks for the demos so far, but when are you getting to the Guitars and Basses? The only two categories that I would be using (apart from drums)...

Or are you just going through it in GM order? Which means organs are next...

Dennis

[Dan]

Yes, I am following the vArranger sound groups buttons

[jan1kow]

Im interested in the accordion and human voices ie Jazz scat, Chior Ah , choir OOH etc
Also better strings and guitars.   
jon

[angel1000]

I guess everyone is waiting for something, I'll add my two cents BRAAAAAASS. Your work is much appreciated Dan. I'll have to check where it is on the list.

[pax_eterna]

Just follow the GM Instrument groupings

Organs next, then guitars, basses, strings, vocal, woodwinds, brass, synths, efx

[Dan]

4/20 : KETRON SD1000 ORGAN SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/Ijk3CuFbYKE

[jan1kow]

Can we bid for what sounds come next . lol
jon

[angel1000]

Hi Pax, I am well aware where it is on the listing. My post was just trying to convey a little bit of sarcasm. I guess sarcasm is difficult to convey over a post. Will not use that type of humour again. This was the message I was posting, before I read Jon's. He put a big smile on my face, that's the response I wanted, a little bit of fooling around. I want BRAAAAASSSSS to be next

[angel1000]

Dan do you have the sd1000 integrated with any styles yet

[Dan]

The latest demo will be STYLES with SD1000 !!!

[angel1000]

Dan you came alive on the organ sounds, a little bit of funk and a little bit of Jazz OH YEAH

[Dan]

And a little bit of Halelluyaa

[angel1000]

Yeah I forgot the gospel

[angel1000]

Dan how are you seeing the sd1000 in varranger. what styles can it play completely ? are you going to be able to integrate fully with the styles of the sd5, meaning their accompagnment with the sd1000 sounds and drums.

[pax_eterna]

Hi Pax, I am well aware where it is on the listing. My post was just trying to convey a little bit of sarcasm. I guess sarcasm is difficult to convey over a post. Will not use that type of humour again. This was the message I was posting, before I read Jon's. He put a big smile on my face, that's the response I wanted, a little bit of fooling around. I want BRAAAAASSSSS to be next

Hey man don't sweat it - all cool 

[Dan]

5/20 : KETRON SD1000 ACCORDION SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/ojnAughpt-0

[jan1kow]

Dan
Can you SAY the sounds that you are selecting in the demos
jon

[Dan]

If I say it in french, you will not understand

[jan1kow]

the instrument names are in English so we will understand with a French accent os OK
jon

[Dan]

6/20 : KETRON SD1000 ACOUSTIC GUITARS SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/bvTQOMhqNaY

[pax_eterna]

6/20 : KETRON SD1000 ACOUSTIC GUITARS SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/bvTQOMhqNaY

Hmmmm......nothing here that is not about the same as the SD2. No discernible differences that I could tell 

Dennis

PS: The same comment by the way, for me, applies to all the demos so far. And as the casing looks the same as the SD2 with different screen printing, the AD/DA converters are probably the same as is the audio interface section and still with the RCA outs.....I really cannot see the increase in price being justified. It is a glorified (ever so slightly) SD2/4 . The SD1000, should really have been a minor firmware update for the SD4. Of course that is just my view

Dennis

[Dan]

I don't remember to hear all those guitar sounds in my SD2.
They are many new samples in the SD1000. The memory is 4 times the SD2 ROM
The audio chip is improved. RCA out tells nothing about the DA converters
The multi effect is 10 times better, the polyphony is doubled. The USB...
But you are right the SD1000, as the audya, is following the Ketron tradition of sounds.

It's always the same... a little better each time

[pax_eterna]

That's cool Dan, and you have the box there not me, but I have also owned a Midjay, Midjay plus and an SD1 plus in my time...and the soundbanks 0, 1, 2 and 10 were all the same

The sounds you have played sound the same as those..they (Ketron) may have added minor (VERY minor) tweaks, like perhaps delay or rev, but the core patches/samples, sound the same to me

Dennis

PS: oh and the comment re the AD/DA converters is based on the same experience with Ketron and its past products. So it is a bit of an assumption, but it IS based on solid experience. It is not often a leopard changes spots. It is not restricted to Ketron btw, all the makers do the same. Why go to the cost of redesigning PCB's and audio boards when they can carry the same parts over to new models. It all adds to the profit stream.

No, to me this is simply a minor tweaking of some sounds, perhaps some change to the drums and a bit of audio looping, all housed in a re-worked casing. Too many $'s for too little that is new.

Again ONLY my view

[angel1000]

Dan, I have been reading the posts on the French side, I agree with Carolan you're work is amazing. Ketron is useless in customer service, your work is deeply and I repeat deeply appreciated. You make my playing a lot easier by everything you have done and do with varranger. I was also reading about integrating the styles of the sd5 into the sd1000. First off with the accompagnment sounds I would imagine that to be simple, is it simply replacing the sd5 sounds with the sd1000 sounds. Can you explain to me a bit of the challenges that lie ahead in integrating the sd5 styles to the sd1000.

[jan1kow]

Pax-eterna etc
I agree with you regarding the apparent minor tweeks in the sounds of Sd1000. I like the USB power idea.
Ketron SD2, Midjay etc already have great sounds so it would be a challenge to get better much better?
However I think we needed better strings, guitars, organs, brass, bass and drums. The SD2 are however already to a professional standard.   
The SD1000 may have made better sounds if they are listened to individually.
But I think most of us will be playing about 7 sounds at one time to play a auto accompanyment style or 10 to 16 sounds to play a midi file.
When all are playing together the audience would probably be none the wiser of any differences between the various ketron sound modules.
One thing I really miss in the SD2 is human voices that change their singing words with different notes played.  (3-4 words are used)
I think SD1000D has the human voicees  but I would not pay the price only to have these.
Also the big problem as Dan says is the SD1000 nstruments have different volumes compared to SD2 etc. so all of my 4000 midi files would need their volumes re-ballanced. This is time consuming and very difficult. What sounds right in the house is always different in a venue.   
I have been tweeking my midi files for over 2 years to get them to sound nearly perfect to my ear for my needs.
I estimate I would need to spend 5 hours 3 nights a week for several months to re-ballance all my midi files to sound right with the SD1000.
Probably SD1000 reverb levels will need tweeking as well as some sysex messages to all my midi files. 
I will be thinking seirously about this as it is a big task. Also my mouse arm would probably would never recover from the stress of this physical strain.
Jon
UK   



     

[pax_eterna]

Jon, they are very good points indeed you make, and I hear you when it comes to the work of setting up...It can take years of constant refinement. It is a shame Ketron, for whatever reason, decided to make those changes to the basic sound library. Maybe the volumes were reduced to allow for increased use of effects and compression, both of which as you know tend to increase the overall loudness of a patch.

Whatever, I have decided (especially after hearing the sound demos) that I definitely do NOT want to buy one. Nothing I have heard beats the sound of VSTi's.

Dennis

[angel1000]

Gentlemen, the biggest perceived difference when listening from one sound module to another are going to be the drums. If the drums are a vast improvement in giving the illusion of live drums, for me it will be worth the cost. Nothing spruces up a midifile like a live drummer, or a live drum sample. We'll see what we have when Dan gets to the drums or to the styles demo he is planning on doing.

[jan1kow]

Angel
Yes I guess the drums will be slighhty better but the work involved in re-ballancing all other tracks as well as the individual drum parts (kick, snare, hihat, cymbal etc) puts me off making the change over. It took me 2-3 years tweeking to get to where I am.
I have 2 x SD2 (one is a backup and rotate their use over every 4 months).
If I had to change due to faulty equipment etc then I would probably buy the latest SD1000 bacause I had to.
But hopefully Ill be fine for a 'wee while as we say in Scotland.
jon 

[angel1000]

I hear ya, I think I might purchase another sd2, good idea. In the end I want to see if there is an improvement with my midi files, and to see if the sd1000 can work with sd5 styles.

[Dan]

7/20 : KETRON SD1000 ELECTRIC GUITAR SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/eA6t6IB73p8

8/20 : KETRON SD1000 BASS SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/egt9eHHFyYs

[Dan]

9/20 : KETRON SD1000 STRINGS SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/K67zjwWjU4g

[Dan]

10/20 : KETRON SD1000 CHOIR SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/BizadB27x1o

[jan1kow]

The choir voices are really good.
Low voices are male and higher are female on some of the sounds.
Others choir voices sound the same as SD2. 
jon

[angel1000]

Ordered mine, should be getting it in two weeks.Price $585 Canadian.

[Dan]

11/20 : KETRON SD1000 BRASS SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/jIsgByHf_6w

[angel1000]

Dan the drums are sounding good, if they can be incorporated into the sd5 styles,with these demos, varranger will take off. The sd1000 needs varranger to shine. Nice work to add the drums to the demos. Drums are the key for the illusion of live.

[angel1000]

Dan I think you found the right marketing mix.

[Dan]

Did you hear the amazing Ketron SD1000 drums at 2"21?

My video camera stopped recording because of a low battery problem. So I don't have the image for this video and the next one.
I replaced this by some pictures.

[angel1000]

so Dan, those were some styles from the sd5 batch. How is it looking are they easy to transfer are some really difficult. I know you are doing the work, but can you explain a bit to us the challenges of transferring the sd5 styles to the sd1000. And you are  right the drums are amazing, if that is all the sd1000 had still worth the cost.

[Dan]

What you hear in the demo is the SD5 styles played with the SD1000. with no modifications at all.

I just hear from time to time a drum sound or a guitar sound that is not sounding good. But most of the styles are still OK, and simply improved by the new drum kits and sounds.

[angel1000]

Dan how many of the styles have you already tried.

[Dan]

I will do a video with the Styles too

[angel1000]

on the next version of varranger, you said the sd1000 will be supported. What are your intentions with supporting the styles, will all or any of them be included in the next update.

[Dan]

Nothing changes with the styles.
You will continue to use all the styles you have

[angel1000]

Dan so that I understand you. A cumbia style, for example will have the new new sounds of the sd1000 for the accompgnment, the sd1000 drums, and the sd1000 percussion track is that correct.

[Dan]

Yes.
For the percussion track, the LIVE DRUMS are the same than the SD2
Only the drum kits will change

[Dan]

12/20 : KETRON SD1000 SAX SOUNDS : http://youtu.be/RbfhxTiv_t0

[Phoenix2004z]

Hi, i'am new in this Forum
Is possibile listen a Demo sd1000 with a Midifile ?

I have a M-Audio Xlight2 i wanted to listen to the difference

Thank you

[Dan]

Can you post some midi files that you want to hear?
I will record for you the sd1000 sounds when I come back from newyork

[Phoenix2004z]

Hi Dan
thak you for reply
how post the midifile for test?

Sorry for my english
Thank you

[jan1kow]

Dan
Are you on holiday in New York and have you had any updates from Ketron regarding the  bugs in the Sd1000 you told them about 2 months ago?
jon

[jan1kow]

Dan,
Have ketron contected you or made any fixes for the SD1000 bugs you informed them about several months ago?
jon

[jan1kow]

Dan,
Have ketron contected you or made any fixes for the SD1000 bugs you informed them about several months ago?
jon

[jan1kow]

Dan,
Have ketron contacted you or made any fixes for the SD1000 bugs you informed them about several months ago?
jon

[Dan]

Lol... yes they have contacted me.
I still have to work more on the SD1000...

[pax_eterna]

Are we there yet   

[jan1kow]

Do you mean you have to work to understand more about SD1000 or are ketron asking you for more info about the bugs you are descovering.
jon

[Dan]

Understanding the Multi FX possibilities and fine tuning the styles for the SD1000

[jan1kow]

thanks