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Quote from: GM on August 05, 2020, 01:13:52 PM
Frankly this conversation has only confirmed my hesitation to spend my money on vA.

You refused to address my questions and replied with condescension.

I am more than happy with a well-known hardware solution.

I am sorry, but i think its you and not Dann..

As an outstander, i have no opinion on the topic.
But when i reread the discussion, i can only see Dann is trying to answer you..
But you stubornly refuse to give more information about what you really want to know

Afer reading your initial question, its totally unclear what you are asking?
Yet you finish with a statement (you can not buy witouth trying first)
Before even giving Dann a chance to answer..

When i reread your comments, they give me the idea that you are a presumptuous person..
Maybe i am wrong, but thats the feeling i get when reading this.
I would be most interested to hear how the black box sound quallity compares to the V3sounds Sonority XXL?  Which also has excellent sound quallity
Quote from: ketronek on April 24, 2020, 12:24:42 PM
I have been using Varranger for 10 years, I tested it with various modules: SD2, SD1000, Roland Integra7, it was even connected with Korg Kronos and various VST plugins with amazing sounds.
Unfortunately, nothing can replace the Varranger vSyntha, no best-sounding guitars, bass guitars and others from VST plugins or external sound modules no will play correctly in Ketron or Yamaha (SFF2) styles. Varranger Synth now is working perfect. There is no limit to the size of SF2, you can have them up to 100 GB, the new version of Varranger reads files directly from the disk, uses up to about 5 GB max of RAM.
The sounds from VST plugins and external modules may sound great solo, but they will not play well in the whole mix. The better the sounds will be, the harder it will be to get a good final result.
After 10 years of working with Varranger, I can play on it all Ketron styles (also SD9), Korg PA4X, Roland BK9, Technics7000. I use only vSynth and 2 VST plugins.
It cost me a lot of work but the effect is excellent.
Thank you Dan for your support over these 10 years.  :)

I recognise this, when inuse vst's (over midi) in combination with my Genos, it requires a huge amount of edditing to mix it into a style track..  so much work its not worth the trouble..  and makes me just use the internal sounds of Genos..

The strength and te reason arrangers work is all the time used for balllancing the soundsets..

The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: NEW : VERSION 'NEXT'
September 13, 2019, 03:22:26 AM
I think €50 per year isn't bad..
Dan you should look at bitwig, they are having a subscription system like this..
You buy bitwig, and get a subscription with it for all updates during the first year..

After that it stops, but whenver you see an update you want, you an buy a new subscription, for a whole year of updates, and you ge the latest version..

Maybe this allows you to spend more time on v-arranger
I am hoping multipads (espescially midi ones) will be part of one of these updates..
Lots of great advise..
still searching..

Almost tought the Dexibell S1 to be perfect..
Till i found out its only 68 keys and not 76

But it has the fatar tp8sk keybed..
And controlls to the left side
Which would have made it a perfect lower keybed for my purpose..

But decided a 68 key under a 76 key with broad side pannels looks kind of stupid...
Besides 68 keys just doesn't fit when playing piano style..
Thanks Dann, i guess thats the main problem when trying to build something..

I might even consider a studiologic compact 2ex, it has the Fatar TP/9P, but its supposed to be the same action as the TP/9S but then the keys look like piano keys instead of organ keys..  that might be a smarter option.. but its an 88 key..

I am looking to add a 2nd keyboard to my Genos..
But there don't seem to be any good ones available ..
All it needs is 76 high quallity keys with aftertouch and possibly 2 wheels to the leftside..

So i am thinking of ordering a fatar TP/9S keybed
And building one myself
This looks to be the place where people could have experiencein building their own keys..

So where do you buy a fatar keybed?
And where do i buy the other parts?
And what processor board to use for the midi and usb connection?

Any help is very very welcome..
Quote from: bluebeat on August 12, 2019, 09:33:06 AM
Ha ha... It is a clone of an idea that a Russian designer, Artemiy Lebedev had about 15+ years ago. Thumb buttons with micro displays...He even had some prototypes made :)

Try Xotopad for Windows I believe it has a demo. You can design layout and specific buttons / sliders  to work with VA.

As Dan said, there are no micro screens in the buttons
That would be way to expensive
There is a low end telephone screen under these buttons
And the light is directed trough the buttons which kind of work like a magnifying glass

This results in a quite low cost production process..

I did some more reading on this
Seems the creators refuse to add midi calls to this
Despite a lot of pressure from the music community..

So since there is nothing secret about this
I think there will soon be another company making a midi version from this..

Anyone got experience with this tool:

The Elgato stream deck allows you to assign any keyboard shortcut to any key..
Since v-arranger supports keyboard shortcuts for pretty much anything
It might be a very nice key... you can makeyour own thumbnails quite easilly

You can make multiple layers of buttons, and switch easilly between them..
Or even change between programs..  like your daw and v-arranger..

I own a kronos..
Kronos ext section is perfect for controlling external gear, which varranger also is..
Make sure to use a korg nanopad, connected to the kronos..

I think it works best with the Varranger synth.. and not with the kronos gm sounds... as the soundsource
I am not a fan of using the gm mode on the kronos
Quote from: Dan on October 28, 2018, 01:06:20 PM
New version is almost ready... will post the news very soon .....

Can'y wait to hear more..

But i do not understand the secrecy?
And i asume its version 1.19 and not 1.9?

There is still quite some things on my wishlist, that are available in totl arrangers, but not yet in Varranger..
And also some things to make for better integration with other software on pc..
Quote from: Carlo on May 14, 2018, 03:07:51 PM
Hello Dan, hello Bachus,

I managed to control vArranger with the buttons of my OAX-Sonic.
And previously also on my "Golden Louvre OAS Organ"

I did it with Midi-LoopBe and Midi-OX.
Now I can assign every vArranger-Function to every OAX-Button and Slider.

Midi-LoopBe is needed to create a virtual Midi-Device, because the Wersi-MidiDevice from the OAX-Panel can only be used once
for the OAX-system.
The virtual Midi, created with Midi-LoopBe, can than be merged together with the Wersi-Midi within MidiOX.
Wath I do is basically create a duplicate of the Wersi-Panel-Midi to feed vArranger.

vArranger is superb to install on Wersi-Organs.
Its just like i have a Wersi-OAS and a Wersi-OAX with all of the best Arrangers (Ketron, Yamaha, Korg and Roland) build in.
I also now have the ability to load more VST's, and to load all the fantastic Sounds from the vArrangerSynth on Upper and Lower-manuals.

Now that makes a lot of fun.

Best Regards,

Thank you Carlo..

My question here was initiated by your post on synthzone in the first place
Now i have got my answer..

Looking forward to seeing a demo of all of this..
Sounds jist to good to be true..
Quote from: Dan on May 14, 2018, 02:08:09 PM
Wersi buttons and sliders can maybe be used if they send midi data.
Windows does not allow 2 software to use the same midi device, so probably not easy to use the 2 software together
Maybe with midi ox... this is something to try

Don't sell your PA4X it is a great keyboard :)

I know the Pa4x is a great keyboard..
But i am becomming more and more an 88 key man..
And i want to cut back to to just a single keyboard..
Playing the upper keybed is becomming more and more tedious..
The only nice way to have 2 keybeds is in an organ position..just above eachother..

Still dont know what way to go..
But Varranger definately is a possible option..

Back om Wersi
The sliders all do send midi..
But it seems the style controlls don't

Quote from: Dan on May 14, 2018, 11:53:30 AM
Bemore organs have developed specifics software that is not vArranger.
I have been contacted by the Bemore company and we had a collaboration together as they needed some help and advice to create ' the perfect ' arranger for their organ
Bemore organs have a nice design and original sampled instruments. more info on :

Some users are using vArranger inside Wersi wing organs

This one is using vArranger inside OAS organs. The second screen is connected to the organ and display vArranger

Not sure about OAX, but it should be possible, as long as there is a Windows inside.

Some are using vArranger on their self created organ, or using 2 midi keyboards and a pedalboard.....

Many options for organ players and vArranger

Thanks for the answer Dann... 

Seems noboddy fixed it to use the wersi style controlls to controll the Varranger
Which would add another level to this great instrument
Makes me even wonder why Wersi never comtacted you to sell the Varranger as part of the Wersi..

Just got my hands on a very nice microsoft touchscreen book..
So finally a reason to build a windows based arranger for me..
Sadly all my VST licenses are still on the Macbook.

Now just thinking what interface to create...
The only thing keeping me from selling my pa4x right now is the missing multipads, which o tend to use a lot...

Does anyone know if Bemore organs (which supports exactly the same style brands as Varranger) has a Varranger inside?

Did anyone get Varranger to work inside a Wersi OAX organ?
The Wersi sonic sounds great as an organ but the style engine is outdated..


When i have 4 differend soundsets for playing different types of styles..
How do i manage this internally?
Do i have to reload the sf2 pack if i want to play another brand of style
Or can i use midi to switch between soundsets live?

Is there a manual somewhere available from the softsynth that comes with V-arranger?

Or maybe just a good manuall of Varranger as a whole..
the last one i found was kinda limited..
The vArranger² Software Forum / VIP
May 14, 2018, 10:01:19 AM

Is anyone using the VIP host software from Akai in combination with Varranger?

The software allows you to stack up to 8 sounds and add up to 4 vst effects/sound..
It also is a giant searchable database for all your VST sounds
With the release of version 3.0, the akai software is usable on all midi keys and can be purchased seperately..

The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Laptops
May 14, 2018, 09:57:41 AM
Quote from: musicmaker84 on May 01, 2018, 11:47:49 AM
While laptops with touchscreens seem great to operate vArranger, I have come to the conclusion that they do not necessarily facilitate any easier or quicker or better operation.

Poking volume sliders on a touchscreen is not really easier or faster than with the mouse. A midi fader (like nano kontrol) has helped with a lot of frustration regarding volume control and should be taken into consideration for a serious setup.

Also, mapping the keyboard with essential arranger functions makes me enjoy vArranger a lot more. In addition I always can attach my iPad and control vArranger from there via Duet, but I have found that this is only redundant and I hardly use it.

What I wanted to say is that you don't need a touchscreen laptop. You always could use Duet and an iPad to replicate this function or just use a good controller, perhaps an additional midi fader, and a well mapped laptop/PC keyboard for most fun.

That being said, I would not consider anything less than the equivalent power of an i5 with at least 8GB and an SSD with sufficient storage space.

I disagree with you.. touchscreens are a blessing when placed at the right spot in full reach of your hands directly behind the keys.. 
because your finger directly moves to its target direct in front of you..

Where grabbing a mouse reuires you to often move your hand far out and then move the mousepointer to the slider, then clicking and carefully moving the slider

For sliders, a touchscreen is a blessing, espescially if its a large touchscreen.

Leaves me with one question about varranger touch support, does it have multitouch support?
Quote from: h7 on November 24, 2017, 07:00:19 AM
I'd like to purchase this software, but I don't quite understand exactly what it is.

My understanding so far (or what I hope it offers), is I could play music just as I would in my Yamaha PSR-S910 keyboard.

Same sounds, same styles, just instead of using my keyboard to play live, I could use this software as a DAW without the need of using my PSR keyboard as it emulates exactly the sounds of a PSR keyboard.

Is my understanding of what does this software do correct?

If you buy it complete with the yamaha soundset, i guess the amswer is yes
You have no multipads however in Varranger
Quote from: bluebeat on October 11, 2017, 04:09:52 AM
There had been some posts, including mine about channeling VA to DAW directly... it is possible, but complicated +latency. Or Midi file....but that will also require tunning for everything... extra plugins to store soundfonts or hardware.
Maybe it was discussed, but here is the idea I have:

It would be nice to be able to output individual audio tracks from VA of composition. Meaning, instead of having one file WAV, to have it broken down to audio tracks. That way you can import them to DAW of choice on separate tracks and tweak them to liking.... Like using Volume and Effects Envelope automation, VST effect chains etc. If my logic is correct, it should not be difficult to add such feature.

Anybody agree?

This is a feature on my pa4x..
Just slice up a drum audio loop..
And then trigger the sounds trough midi..

Any daw can do this for you..
If you want to use this use jack router to send midi to your daw
Then slice up the sudio in the daw, add them to 16 drumpads or some keys
And use the midi out of your varranger drums to trigger..
Its been a while, but still nobody using V-arranger with the Montage?

Just looking for user experiences..
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: NEW : DRUM MIXER
August 21, 2017, 10:33:27 AM
Very nice feature, seems even better then the drum mixer in my pa4x
Band in a Box styles dont work with a real time arranger, only with a preprogrammed chord progression..
Quote from: paulus1971 on January 27, 2017, 06:08:46 PM
I've been using vArranger with Yamaha MOXF6, but i've sold my yamaha moxf6.

I just bought Novation Launchkey 61 to be used with vArranger, and i am thinking of buying Roland Integra 7.

Can someone help me, how to connect all those 3? (keyboard controller, Integra 7, and laptop)

thank you
get a good quallity audio interface for your laptop...
Connect both the luanchkey as well as the roland integra 7 over USB to the laptop (for midi)
Connect the audio out of the integra to the audio in of your new audio interafce
Connect your speakers and headsets to the audio interace
Quote from: lakere on January 17, 2017, 11:13:43 PM
I am not familar with MainStage at all though I have it myself.   There seem to be many users of MS that report that Gig Performer shows far less CPU usage than MS.   I was going to post the link but you were a step ahead of me.  I saw your post there and I liked what you had to say.    I can say that vArranger2 and Gig Performer are two of the best music apps in my Windows PC, and I like the fact that I can use both simultaneously in the way you described here; separating the keyboard parts from the arrangerments.    I will be quick to point out, though, that vArranger is not only a super arranger but it serves as a patch manager very well in dealing with external modules such as the Ketrton SD4.   

Quote from: Bachus on January 13, 2017, 08:15:48 AM
Actually its very much like mainstage 3 (mac only) which i have been using for years as my vst host...

Personally i am a big fan of having the keyboard parts fully sepperated from the arrangement parts, thats what i love about the korg pa4x..  it makes things much easier...  so i can fully see how for people using VST as their main sound source, this will work very very well..

I watched a few video's and must say gig perfromer looks very nice, a bit more modular then nainstage in its approach, tough the workflow of creating things is pretty much alike...

Thanks for the heads up and enjoy playing ...

To me on my quadcore i7 macbook processor power is not an issue when using mainstage... its only an issue when sing some heavy hitting VSTs inside mainstage...  tough in general it never gets over 50% in all my self created performances..   as long as i stay away from using 8 omnisphere sounds and 8 U-he sounds at the same time, its just not an issue..

There are more important things to a host then processor power...
Actually its very much like mainstage 3 (mac only) which i have been using for years as my vst host...

Personally i am a big fan of having the keyboard parts fully sepperated from the arrangement parts, thats what i love about the korg pa4x..  it makes things much easier...  so i can fully see how for people using VST as their main sound source, this will work very very well..

I watched a few video's and must say gig perfromer looks very nice, a bit more modular then nainstage in its approach, tough the workflow of creating things is pretty much alike...

Thanks for the heads up and enjoy playing ...
Quote from: Dan on December 28, 2016, 06:34:03 PM
Not planned for now

Still to bad...  Mac OSX is still an incredible platform for creating music...

But if i am totally honest, i dont think there are many potential customers wayting for a port to MAC OSX..   
Hope you can make those 16 pads both midi as well as audio.. 

For perfect pads functionallity, have a look at the new Casio MZ-X500. Thats something awesome....
The vArranger² Software Forum / Development Blog
June 01, 2016, 12:47:37 PM
Dan, would it be a good idea to have some kind of development blog, where people can read

Whats the current status of the Varranger program including a listing of recently added features and their dat
But also the new stuff you are currently working on..
As well as things you aim to add in the future...

For an outsider like me with an honest interest in your archievements its very hard to see what new advancements you are making....

But also for possible customers its hard to find out about the latest version, as often the information on the website is old and cought up by time...
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: SPAM
May 28, 2016, 08:06:50 PM
Quote from: BjayG on May 28, 2016, 11:23:00 AM

I agree with Lylo with his reply to one of the yet more SPAM messages we seem have had an increasing number of lately.

Dan - so why can't this rubbish be filtered out...   

I cannot actually see the point of these spam messages - does anyone actually read them and act on them.   As far as I can tell all they do is just annoy people.


Dont blame Dan, blame those freaking spammers...

The only solution is a new acount identification system...

So the spammers cant get access to the forum....
There currently is no DAW controll mode on the Montage...  Its not in the reference manuall...

I was at a demo by Bert Smorenburg, and he confirmed the abcense of a daw controll mode..

This makes the montage way less suites as a comtroller and soundsource for Varranger, even worse it disquallifies Montage for it in my book..

Also need to say that i was very very impressed by the sound, performance and ease of use/programming of the montage.... Its a beast of a synth...
Quote from: eallan on May 15, 2016, 01:36:04 PM
"On the Motif there is a DAW controll mode in which you can assign every button, knob or slider to Varranger...  We do not know yet if this is possible with Montage, what we do know is that the frontpage controll button DAW controll is no longer available on the Montage."
Hi Bachus - Is this possible on Motif Rack XS? If yes , does it have to be set up manually or is there a configuration file that you could share?

There is no evidence of an advanced Daw controll mode yet in the reference manuall of the Montage..  However, it might be added in an update when the VST/PC editor comes available...  The Montgae will see some huge updates..

The rack version is more of a soundmodule and misses features like daw far as i can remember from my XS-rack, lost that over a year ago to some thieves..
Montage is almost uppon us, i will be visiting a demo by Bert Smorenberg next week...

Just wondering if anyone plans to buy and use it with the Montage...
If so please keep us posted...

Combining the performance of montage with Varranger, might be out of this world..
Quote from: musiker-playboy on March 22, 2016, 12:02:22 AM
The Question ... can vArranger use the Yamaha Styles  directly with the Montage Sounds?
No GM2 bank. The Yamaha Styles need a way to select the sounds from the Montage.

The Montage is backward compatible with the Motif, so there should be a GM2 bank...

Out of the 16 montage channels, 8 can be used by the montage itself for its keyboard parts (performance) the other 8 can be controlled from a daw/midi sequencer or Varranger or Karma, or whatever sends midi...
Quote from: moessieurs on March 18, 2016, 06:26:55 AM
Hi, i use vArranger2 with a Motif XF without problem and there is non GM2 bank, that will be the same thing for the Montage.

On the Motif there is a DAW controll mode in which you can assign every button, knob or slider to Varranger...  We do not know yet if this is possible with Montage, what we do know is that the frontpage controll button DAW controll is no longer available on the Montage..
V for Victory
V for Virtuall

Offcourse its the Varranger2
Quote from: Pekilik on February 05, 2016, 06:14:48 PM
I know that RME card and Presonus card (I have VSL22) has multi cilent Asio and you can run many audio-midi app together with low latency...

Thanks Peklik (and Dann) but i am researching specifically the Montage and using that as an audio device for the surface pro 4..

I dont think Yamaha will have multiclient asio support..

So far the only thing i have found is jack audio...  Reports on its usabillity for windows 10 vary wildly..
Comming from a Mac, where this is possible on PC Windows 10..

Now imagine that i want to run several audio applications and midi applications at the same time... Completely lagfree... Routing midi between them, and all using the same Audio out...( in my case, using the USB of the upcomming montage as the audio interface ).....  I am thinking to use cubase, Varranger, band in a box and Karma(only midi) for Motif, all running at the same time and hoping to be able to quickly change between them ..  No rewire, all syncing to the midi clock of the montage..

Its important to have low latency...

Would this be possible... And what tools would you be using for this..

Quote from: Dan on February 03, 2016, 08:48:08 AM
Not yet

But if you add them, that will be another step ...
Quote from: Dan on February 01, 2016, 11:13:36 PM
how many channels are needed for pads?

If you have midi pads, each one requires an own channel, if you have audio pads(that sync with tempo), same if you want to add effects...

In my perfect world, 8 would be great, 16 like the upcomming Casio MZ-X500 would be perfect.. Currently 4 is the standard..  But then, Varranger should be above all standards..
Quote from: Dan on February 01, 2016, 09:03:06 PM
Why more than 16 channels, for the multipads? We don't have this yet... but vArranger never stops to improve :)


Quote from: Dan on February 01, 2016, 09:14:39 PM
Here is a PA4X style for you recorded right out of the box :)

Sounds quite nice..
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Version history
February 01, 2016, 08:48:08 PM
Quote from: Dan on February 01, 2016, 12:56:54 PM
The history list is not released yet, but I frequently inform musicians about the vArranger news on Facebook

thanks Dan..
Quote from: Dan on February 01, 2016, 09:54:28 AM
Something unique to our SOUNDBANKS, is that they are completely integrated inside vArranger and they automatically adapt to the style brand

You can have different set of samples loaded depending of the style brand you are playing

Thats an awesome step forward...

Tough adding all 4 will make it a little costly, turning a €350 product into a €750 one..
They need to be atleast same quallity as the Orriginall soundsets to be fully worth their money...

However, another huge adavntage of having internal soundsources is that you can have more then 16 channels in Varranger..  How about some midipads?
Enlighten me, but wasnt this supposed to be part of a future Varranger update?

In the end, makes me wonder why you choose soundfonts, and not one of the more advanced free VST's that allow you to,load samples, and even stream them witouth latency from SSD
The vArranger² Software Forum / Version history
January 29, 2016, 08:19:12 PM
Is there a version history somewhere, with a list of all the update notes?

( the latest version seems to be 1.18 from 2013, if i look at the topics in this forum)
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Montage by Yamaha
January 12, 2016, 05:45:22 PM
Quote from: Dan on January 12, 2016, 08:51:34 AM
There is still no information about this future keyboard... so hard to know

Not much, but atleast some info surfaced, we will know more after the Namm
Looks to me like the new Montage might be a perfect match for the Upcomming new V-arranger..

If my favourite tyros features (sa2/ensemble) are part of Montage, this might be the time to move to V-arranger
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Piracy
December 01, 2015, 11:47:40 AM
Thats why i reported this, you know i am not a Varranger user (yet) but nevertheless i am a fan of your work..  And realise that piracy could kill the great product that Varranger allready is... And even worse, prevent it from becomming better then any hardware arranger..

Piracy would be a true killer for Varranger...  I hope everyone realises that.

The vArranger² Software Forum / Piracy
November 30, 2015, 02:10:10 PM
Be warned,

I did get two requests from people trough facebook for a download link for the latest version of Varranger..

Obviously they dont have a license, or they would have asked Dan and got their latest version.

Just wondering how they could trace back my facebook account trough this forum?

The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: A shocking decision.
November 28, 2015, 11:53:47 PM
Quote from: Dan on November 28, 2015, 07:43:20 PM
Hey Gordon, we are all in shock !! :)

Usually a move from windows to MacOS or Linux is a one way trip :)

Thank you for your purchase.

I have tried vArranger with wine on linux once, but it was not working. etc.... I really think you should start with Windows, and who knows later...

In general nothing works out of the box on wine, and to get something working one needs to have quite some Linux and wine experience....   However, it would be nice if he got this to work... 

Tough, getting it to work under wine, and having all the features working like VSTs is often a whole different story

In the end a multiboot solution will probably be whats needed.
Quote from: Deane on October 16, 2015, 04:34:18 PM
Thanks folks for the input.  I don't know what I will do yet.  Some people think Dan will come up with a synth making a sound module unneeded.  I'll probably wait and see.


You can allready use sf2 files ...if they support the GM2 standards(atleast thats what i understood)

From what i understood most people overehe prefer the cheaper Ketron modules sd2 and sd1000, tough also the Yamaha synths from the Motif line also yoeld very good results with Yamaha style files...

So far reports for Roland and Korg have been less stellar... But those reports mostly reflected people playing Yamaha style files on Roland gear..

There are some vsts that support The GM standard, hallion sonic 2 by Steinberg for example, which also comes close to the Yamaha sound... Highest quallity GM vst is Colossus from EWQL..

I am still sitting at the sideline, as my Tyros5 currently supports all my arranger needs, yet still very i terested in the Program and where Dan is taking it in the next few the current rate at which arrangers innovate, it cant take to long before Varranger is the arranger to rule them all...
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Computer RAM
October 04, 2015, 07:57:35 PM

I think this video really shows the power of the sd1000
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Computer RAM
October 04, 2015, 05:19:39 AM
Quote from: Deane on October 03, 2015, 10:51:46 PM
What is the best sound module for vArranger?

From what i have read, people yield very very good results with the sd1000..

Also when you want to use VST, more Ram will improve your systems performance... But saying that more ram will make a better sound?  No it just allows you to do more things continously..

But as Dan said, if you use a soundmodule as your soundsource, there is not much ram requirements, and the current standard of 4Gb should do..
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Good demo video
October 02, 2015, 04:18:33 PM
Thanks Lylo...

Very nice video,s to bad they never got translated into English...

They work for me, lets hope they will also work for the rest of the English community
The vArranger² Software Forum / Good demo video
October 02, 2015, 05:36:01 AM
Over at the piano forum we hav a discussion about biabox and arranger modules. I pointed them to Varranger as a very good option to.  They however asked for a tutorial video explaining how Varrager could be used.  They are non areanger players but piano players.

Sadly i could not find any good tutorials explaining how Varranger works..   Personally i think adding Varranger or an arranger module for that really offers a lot to a DP player...

Does anyone know some good links to english language videos explaining the options from Varranger to absolute noobs?

Quote from: Dan on September 09, 2015, 09:02:48 AM
This is an in-between version,

And I will release soon a new version, and will probably not call it 1.18 :)

Varranger 2.0? 

That would mean a huge update...
Quote from: Dan on August 31, 2015, 06:57:33 PM

VST instruments usually includes their own fx reverb, etc... So I don't think it's a good idea to add an FX after every VST instrument

Why not, every DAW allows you to stack multiple effects on each VST sound, this is what makes DAWs sound so rich..

I dont see a reason why you should not allow this, as i think it would not be that much work, since you probably allready know how to implement this.

Just wondering why you would take away options from users?  I think giving people all the ootions might be what makes the Varranger software a contender against Tyros 6 and Pa4x.  I mostly add like 3 effects on my VST sounds in ableton.
Congratulations and enjoy your new beatifull tool
Quote from: v.muller on August 02, 2015, 10:02:46 AM
No, that's all he wrote me about it.
But, why not to ask directly him:
I think that he should see our interest in his work.

I might just do so....

Thanks for the advise..
Quote from: v.muller on July 31, 2015, 08:41:18 AM
I asked for the expected release date of and the price and the author (Francesco Massa) replied me:

I'm going to launch Next-Gen 2 by the end of this year, but I don't know the exact date yet.
As for the price, it will be approximately 150 €.

Good to know, thats a price everyone can afford...  Just wondering how big it will be? Did he answer that, will there be 2 or more banks?
Quote from: Dan on July 24, 2015, 06:31:19 PM
Very Nice.

One more GM bank.  Maybe "THE" one? :)

We will have to wayt and see, but it certainly is very very prommising what i have heared..  I will tell you once i get my hands on it..

This sounds really really good, an upcomming kontakt GM bank...   Might be a good soundsource for Varranger..  Atleast these demos sound spectacular..
Roland is notorious in creating new products witouth any backward compatibillity.. 
Offcourse its not comming from you Dan, i hope you can find out where and whome is sending these...
The vArranger² Software Forum / Audya audio styles
June 23, 2015, 07:39:10 PM
Dan, is audya style compatibillity including audio tracks for guitars, bass and other tracks still on your to do list? 

Or did it get scratched off, i can imagine its quite a challenge to program the audio parts, even Yamaha is staying away from it, tough they do have pattents for it.
I think the upcomming 1.18 must be a big leap... People seem to be wayting for that since months..

Might be another leap to supremacy over hardware arrangers..
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Style Creator
June 10, 2015, 07:47:09 PM
Quote from: Dan on June 08, 2015, 06:41:25 PM
yes, because standard midi synth has 16 midi channels only. And we use 8 for accomp and 8 for Right & Left

But then Varranger2 is a software instrument, why stick to the limits of hardware when you have the freedom of software?   

My tyros 5 actually has a maximum of 12 styletracks, 8 from styles and 4 from pads... And it works very very well to make styles sound more alive..
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Style Creator
June 07, 2015, 11:14:18 AM
Quote from: Dan on May 30, 2015, 10:10:01 PM
Even if it is possible to create styles on Roland, Ketron, Korg or Yamaha keyboard, and make them play with vArranger,...  Or use many existing software to create styles for vArranger,
Every day, I tell to myself... I need to create my own style creator for vArranger.

I think I ill do it right after adding the audio drums wav loop in sync with styles, so my style creator will include all.

I can't tell for now about when it will be finish, but for sure it will.

For now, you can use some other software to create styles for vArranger

You indeed need your very own style format, which outperforms and outshines all the other formats... Its a next step, espescially if you make it backward compatible with all the competition and add a top of the line style edditor that allows users to create their own styles...

In the end you will outperform all the hardware arrangers..
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Mac version
June 07, 2015, 10:14:48 AM
Quote from: Lylo on April 02, 2015, 11:05:37 PM
Windows/pc is best for quality/price.  8)

I have come to disagree with this..

While it seems that windows machines are cheaper, but if you want a windows laptop with the same quallity of the macbook pro (both build and hardware)  then the price differenece isnt that large...

If you take into consideration that Macs are build from the core with real time music creation in mind and windows isnt then thats worth some money.. You can for example route midi between apps standard.. And its even standard for multiple apps to have access to the sound driver..  Which is a great pro, if for example you want to use several different progams in a live situation.. ( for example, a sequencer like Live, mainstage, logic, reason, biabox, and some arranger program if one ever comes availble for Mac..

If you just buy mainstage, which comes with the logic best sound library of any DAW at only €30 , one could argue that a mac with mainstage on it is even cheaper then A pc with a comparable package.. And you get a free DAW to go with it in garageband..

The more i think about it, the more i realise that OSX is the only way to go if you are serious about music. And the only thing missing is an arranger like V-arranger.

Macbooks pro are a little more expensive at first sight as comparable windows systems, but if you take the software that comes with it (almost) for free, the quallity/price mark might even be better then the windows systems.  Logic at under €200 offers the same professional windows daws like cubase and live which are over €700. 

Which makes for professional musicians buying a MAC a no brainer. It takes some getting used to the OSX, but when you are, there is no way back..

Quote from: tekas on May 19, 2015, 11:50:19 AM
there is no demo version...

You can just buy the Varranger, and if you are not sattisfied, you will get your money back...
I was so going to ask Dann for a demo version, untill i saw the date, and read to the end of the topic...
Quote from: Phil on May 08, 2015, 11:10:50 AM
I see you are not selling you Band-in-a-Box. Is this the reason you are selling V-arranger2? Do you use the live cord progression (in real time) in B-i-a-B to tel the live styles in which cords they should play, or do you pre-program the cords in B-i-a-B?

I think BiaB is still the best tool for guitarists when they want some accompaniment....  It takes away some of the freedom, but if you dont need realtime chordchanges, BiaB is still the best way to go.

Wondeing if Dan has any plans in making Varranger also a better tool to compete with BiaB and not only with typical realtime arrangers..  After all, in software anything is possible with enough time and dedication.
Does Varranger have VST3 support, if so, you can run the edditor (and so the MOXF) as a VST client in Varranger...
The vArranger² Software Forum / Moxf questions
May 02, 2015, 07:49:05 AM
Is anyone using the MOXf with Varranger?

Is it posible to run both Varranger and the Karma on the PC At the same time
Does anyone use the MOXf as the USB audio interface?
Can one controll?(sync) the tempo on the Varranger from the buildin tempo of the MOxf
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Tyros4 soundset
April 26, 2015, 08:19:46 AM
Well, agaton, i cant wayt to eat the proof of your pudding...

If i can run both ableton live and V-arranger in paralel at your hardware that would be awesome..

{ however you are wrong about Linux, linux is exceptonally customisable and is a great OS for music instruments, with realtime processing kernel moduels loaded. Tough sad thing is that the best VST and music software are programmed for Windows or Mac(which is actually Unix) and most of these cant be reliably ported to Linux. But Linux itselves with its very modular structure would be awesome as base of any hardware instruments..   The failure of lionstracs is not because it runs on linux, but because most of the development team where amateurs}

Now give us some bones to chew on while we wayt for your new system...
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Mac version
April 10, 2015, 10:05:34 AM
Quote from: Lylo on April 10, 2015, 06:21:15 AM
You know, you can buy a laptop only for varranger and think the use same a expander.  :)

I could, but whats the huge advantage of having varranger running on a different system as where my VSTs are running? And allready having 2 screens in my setup is more then enough. 

As i said, i am just happy following the progress Dan makes from the sideline, untill we reach that moment that he surpasses all the hardware arrangers in such a way that i would be fooling myself not to buy Varranger..
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Mac version
April 10, 2015, 04:49:40 AM
Quote from: magali on April 08, 2015, 07:31:57 AM
8) OK with Deane , with Boot camp on Mac no problems for running PC soft . Latency same than ASIO

Offcourse bootcamp or any other bootloader will help out and mac is as good a platform to run windows on as any other..

However, i have all my DAW software on MAC, and continously switching between windows and OSX is not an option...  And all my VST and daw licenses have been ported to MAC... And its obvious that you want to run Varranger where your VST are..

But yet again, its no must for me to get it working, i am still very hapy with my Tyros5...  But i also realise that the future is for software arrangers...
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Mac version
April 07, 2015, 07:03:39 PM
Quote from: Lylo on April 07, 2015, 06:52:27 PM
Perhaps you can put Windows in  Virtual Box, I don't know if it's work well on mac and I don't know if the protect of vArranger can work with this condition but if yes, you can try, Virtual Box is free.
With this system it's more easy to swicht between the two OS, but perhaps it's difficult to get a low latence but for use the songchord I think it's ok.

I dont think virtuall machines support low lattency audio...

Maybe Dann can answer this question
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Mac version
April 07, 2015, 06:17:47 PM
Quote from: Lylo on April 07, 2015, 01:10:47 PM
Yes it's right, mac is more user-friendly and Windows sometime bug in bad moments, mac less or never.
But the issues with Windows are not dramatical and can resolved in a few days, after it's ok for a long time, and Windows users have a great avantage actually... they can use vArranger and users mac just cry, lol.  ;D

Thats true Lilo, Varranger only running on windows makes chooosing windows a no brainer if you have need for the program. 

I am a big fan of Varranger and even more of the actuall service Dan offers to the users, but owning a Tyros 5 does not make Varranger a must for me.  Not now.. But i do realise that software is the way of the future..  My software based mac workstation (ableton live/logic/mainstage/vst) blows away all hardware workstations..  In the future when its possible to integrate several hosts i will add Karma and Varranger to that..  For now, i keep using Tyros and kronos with my macbook..
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Mac version
April 07, 2015, 09:00:17 AM
Quote from: Lylo on April 05, 2015, 12:41:23 AM
Yes, i have friend who think that but i don't know what the problem with Windows,  sometime some bugs but rarely, i forget the os and all work fine in my desktop pc and laptop. And vArranger (not the beta version) never bug.

There is no problem with Windows, you can get everything to work well on windows.... But in general it requires some 3rd party tools like asio drivers and such

But the source code of apple is created with these things in mind... There is no need for special asio drivers, and there is even a device that allows you to connect midi between two applications.. (Part of what Jack does, internal midi routing).    And in one of the next updates they will have audio rewiring as a standard service build in. 

The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Mac version
April 04, 2015, 03:59:40 PM
Quote from: Lylo on April 02, 2015, 11:05:37 PM
Windows/pc is best for quality/price.  8)


But then, if you allready own an apple system then windows is definately a step back when it comes to user friendlyness and out of the box stabillity and functionallity..

OSX espescially as a music DAW is more suited because of its structure..

I asume noboddy tried to get Varranger to work on OSX under wine?
The vArranger² Software Forum / Mac version
April 02, 2015, 05:55:20 PM
Just wondering if there is a mac version on Dan's to do list?

Ever since i got my hands on a macbook pro i have become really fond of how fluently it works.. As a daw it surpasses windows in every possibillity... Stabillity, performance, latency and best of all, everything works perfectly together straight from the box..  Comming from a windows background, i think OSX is way ahead of Windows as a DAW platform. I am very happy with logic/mainstage/live    And yes, i also have a multi touchscreen 27" connected to the Mac, there is 3rd party software available..
Quote from: Tidom on March 22, 2015, 01:32:45 PM

L72 Hello!
I use since 2010 in ballrooms for people a little older. I accompany with:
1) my guitar MIDI GK2 => AXON
2 Midi Guitar Controller YAMAHA G10
Both => Edirol UMG2 => EEPC => varranger2 => Ketron SD2
I accompany an accordionist with saxophone and I sing too.
Now vArranger2 is very stable.
But you have to configure the computer in "maximum performance".
Personally sounds are still those of Ketron SD2.
That is enough for me and it is very very good.
I am very happy!

How does this answer relate to the Korg Kronos?
Quote from: agaton on March 22, 2015, 12:46:17 PM
You can do that, but you need one Midi processing software
for Midi Routing of PCG-s. For example free program MidiOx.

I know i can use external software, i was hoping that Varranger had some build in interface to do this... It would allow people to replace sounds with better sounds fromdifferent sources.. It would allow pro's more freedom..
Can i make my own mapping for sounds?

A good example is creating a specific soundset on Korg Kronos as a module for Varranger (its possible to import SF2 sounds into the HD1 engine) ... All i would like to do is map the typical GM2 midi output of Varranger to the midi numbers of the new sounds...
How is the soundquallity of styles on the Kronos?   Do you use the GM soundset?
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: TA Sound Engine
March 21, 2015, 08:30:55 PM
Quote from: Dan on March 17, 2015, 04:22:04 PM
Note that it's not in the vArranger policy to include and sell sounds recorded from Ketron Yamaha Korg or Roland synths etc....

Some musicians like agaton have sampled their owned synths for personal use and also original acoustic sounds and get some decent sound.

I will inform you when there is anything that can be shared to everyone.

I personnaly never tested the agaton sounds, so still can't say anything about it

We all know this law is nonsense.... Where i am allowed to create a sample from a real piano sound.... But not a sample of the sameple someone else took from that piano...

All major hardware keyboard builders borrow sounds from eachother and others, and then they dont dare to name them for what they are..

And my best bet is, taht Agaton is doing the same thing everyone else is doing that tries to create a good soundset...  I am for one looking forward to the first fully software based soundset that can compete with the hardware totl arrangers..
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: TA Sound Engine
March 12, 2015, 09:15:44 PM
No clue, googling for TA sound engine gives no results...

However i am allways interested in learning something new...
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Jack audio
March 12, 2015, 09:12:59 PM
This way someone could use for example Ableton, varranger, BiaBox, and any other VST host  at the same time...or atleast have the programs active with sounds available at the same time...

The good thing is that you can route both audio and midi between programs and the audio device.

Seems however that with the new version many programs have extreme low lattencies with this tool, while some others fail totally ... So if anyone used Varranger with this tool, i would be interested in his experience..
The vArranger² Software Forum / Jack audio
March 11, 2015, 08:26:42 PM
Did anyone get a chance to use Varranger with the new 32/64 bit version from Jack Audio?

Jack audio is a routing tool for both audio and midi, for people using other software next to Varranger at the same time..
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Tyros4 soundset
March 11, 2015, 06:40:02 PM
Quote from: Dan on December 28, 2014, 12:16:37 AM
I don't know if Live Styler mega samples sounds as good as the Tyros.
They need to be velocity mapped exactly the same with special velocity curves.
Not easy to do...
Someone is actually sampling many keyboards he own, for his own vArranger use, including mega voices, drum kits, etc..
I will talk more about this in 2015

Its March 2015....
Quote from: cirerenrut on March 10, 2015, 04:49:07 PM
I have tried Bandstand with vArranger but was disapointed with the results, considering the size of the program the voices sounded little different to vArranger's own built in generator and not a patch on the SD1000.
Perhaps I was expecting to much.

bandstand is six years old ...  Its just instruments, no effects, in general its Effects that make sample based sounds shine... 
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: VST questions..
February 21, 2015, 04:56:13 PM
Thank you for the lovely tip, i didnt know that one... Gonna test it tonight Bluepatchwork...

And back to Dan, thank you for answering my question.  I am quite content with your answer.  However, on adding advanced features, you can allways do so, as long as they dont get in the way of new users that require an easy interface.
The vArranger² Software Forum / VST questions..
February 20, 2015, 11:21:29 AM
Hello Dan, just a few questions concerning your ongoing development.. ( you must realize by now that Varranger will be an ever expanding project )...  I base these questions uppon the information found in your online manuall

1) will the current VST rack (asuming the VST rack is a global thing) of only 16 VSTs be expanded in the near future?   Many people have dozens of VSTs, collecting VSTs is a bad habbit of mine, and it would be great to be able to use them all if i decided to upgrade to Varranger.

2) Does the VST arranger support VST effects in any way? I could not find information about this in the online manuall. It would be great that for those tracks that use sounds from the Varranger synth, VSTs, or SF2 tables you could chain several VST effects for each channel..  VST effects are the bread and butter that makes VSTs sound so awesome over hardware..  On top of that it would also be awesome if we could select those VST effects the global effects EFX1 (reverb) and EFX2 (currently up to 3 different effects) 

Espescially adding number 2 would allow Varranger2 to take another step in sound quallity... 

Thank you Dann for taking the time to answer this, and keep up the good work..
So good Agaton, with your new soundset you made the Varranger sound as good as with an SD1000..  And styles on par with Tyros 5....

Most people dont realise this... But this seems like the moment Varranger turns into a full software solution, witouth the need for additional hardware to make styles sound as brilliant as that...
Its not a matter of the right price....  I think the service and the upgrades Dan supports is unpayable and beyound any other product.  ( however the manuall needs badly to be updated). All insiders know. But potential customers dont

All they see is a rather expensive piece of software with no option to test it before buying it. I know Dan gives a full repay if not sattisfactory, but that doesnt really work for people that dont know Dan..   

Commercially Dan could learn a lot from other companies, a testversion could help convince people to buy the software.  Or a 20% rabat once or twice a year could pull them in. But lowering its price does not, espescially if the package including the support from Dan is worth every penny you pay for it..
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: English Manual
February 05, 2015, 08:25:21 PM
Yes, i noticed this to, on my search for all these lovely changes Dan made in the last two years, i noticed the current manuall in the forum is almost 2 years old...... Which is huge for the fastest changing and improving arranger in the universe...
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Tyros4 soundset
October 24, 2014, 04:20:34 PM
Quote from: Dan on October 24, 2014, 10:52:16 AM
Some users bought LiveStyler previously before coming to vArranger.
The have the library, and it works OK with vArranger too.

Dan, but isnt having the megavoices a requirement to make most Yamaha styles sound decent? (Asuming that from all new yamaha styles there is atleast one track with megavoices)
The vArranger² Software Forum / Tyros4 soundset
October 23, 2014, 02:28:17 PM
Does anyone overhere have access to the Tyros 4 soundset that came with keystar and live styler...

It was a set of 1400 sounds including all the megavoices, and worked quite well for Yamaha styles containing megavoices...

Sadly the producer of Live-styler died recently, which makes both the software as the sound database unavailable...   But it seems those megavoices might come in handy for Varranger...