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#1
 Hi Werner,

vielen Dank für den entscheidenden Hinweis mit dem ,,verantwortlichen" Sound. Das hab ich gleich mal ausprobiert und entsprechend auf einen anderen Sound korrigiert, jetzt läuft wieder alles wie es soll (naja, mit kleinen klanglichen Einbußen, der Distortion-Effekt war schon nett).  :D  Dann kann ich ja jetzt gleich beruhigt zur Mugge fahren.

Jetzt vermisse ich aber irgendwie doch die Möglichkeit, mehr mit den Effekten anstellen zu können. Ich hoffe, dass Dan eine Möglichkeit findet, die Effekte irgendwie songabhängig zu speichern.

Egal, heute kann ich wenigstens den Titel spielen, ohne eine Notlösung nutzen zu müssen.

Vielen Dank und beste Grüße
Matthias
#2
German vArranger forum / Distortion In Begleitspur
April 26, 2018, 08:40:55 PM
Das Peoblem mit den Effekten beim SD1000 wird ja nun schon ewig diskutiert, der Wunsch der Speicherbarkeit  ja auch in regelmäßigen Abständen erneuert. Bislang hatte ich noch nicht das Bedürfnis, mit genügten Hall und Chorus, der Rest wurde halt vermieden.
Nun gibt es das erste Mal richtig Probleme. Ich habe einen Style, der schaltet die letzte Spur der Begleitautomatik einen Distortion dazu, im Style selbst fiel mir das so nicht auf. Erst als ich auf einen anderen Style umschaltete, klang ein auf der gleichen Spur liegender Bläser-Sound plötzlich auch mit einem Dist-Effekt. Auf einfachem Wege bekomme ich das auch nicht zurück. Der sicherste Weg ist: SD1000 aus und wieder an, in Midi-Ports neu einbinden, Style neu auswählen und alles ist wie gehabt. Während einer Mugge ist das allerdings ziemlich ungünstig und zeitaufwändig.

Gibt es vielleicht ne andere Lösung?

#3
German vArranger forum / Re: Version 1.18
January 11, 2018, 09:37:35 AM
Hi Dan,

ich hätte auch gern bitte die letzte aktuelle Variante  :)

Danke!
Grüße
Matthias
#4
Das wäre eine tolle Ergänzung. Ich verstehe auch nicht, warum nicht erst Grundlagen zu Ende programmiert werden, bevor Sonderfunktionen kommen.

Da müssen wohl erst ein paar Interessenten kommen, die VA kaufen, wenn die Funktion implementiert ist. Dann wirds wohl klappen.
#5
German vArranger forum / Re: vArranger Pro und Contra
September 08, 2017, 07:41:10 PM
Hallo Rainer,

in varranger kannst du im Prinzip alles so speichern, dass auf "Knopfdruck" quasi alle Einstellungen, die für einen Titel notwendig sind, aufgerufen werden. Dabei muss man jedoch bedenken, dass das Progamm dafür zunächst die Sounds der verwendeten Instumente "kennen" muss, um sie aufzurufen. Es gibt dafür die .ins files, über die die entsprechenden Sounds der verwendeten Hardware abgerufen werden können.

Weiterhin ist die Speicherung von Effekten  z.B. In Verbindung mit SD1000 doch eher sparsam. Die richtigen Arranger-Schlachtschiffe bieten da natürlich mehr Möglichkeiten. Trotzdem ziehe ich zum Beispiel varranger jedem Top-Arranger vor. Aus mehreren Gründen (hier die wichtigsten):

1. Das Gewicht: Ich spiele ein leichtes 88-Tasten-Masterkeyboard in Verbindung mit einem SD1000, dazu ein kleines Tablet mit Tastatur und USB-Hub, zur Steuerung Nanocontrol2 und fertig. Alles zusammen immer noch leichter als Tyros, SD9 oder PA4x. Das freut meinen Rücken beim Auf- und Abbau.

2. Die Möglichkeiten: Vor dem varranger hätte ich zwei Arranger auf dem Ständer, um eine große Stylevielfalt zu haben, varranger kann Styles von Korg, Ketron, Yamaha und Roland abspielen ( mit Einschränkungen bei Drum-Samples etc.)

3. Einfachheit: wenn man sich erst mal an die Arbeitsweise gewöhnt hat, ist man sehr schnell unterwegs bei der Erstellung von Songdaten und der Einbindung von Texten und Noten. Eine Taste drücken und schon sind die Noten zu sehen und alle Sounds eingestellt. (Bei Bedarf auch aus einer Playlist heraus)

Welche Kobination vernünftig ist, kann ich so nicht sagen. Sicher ist Vst eine tolle Sache, allerdings braucht man dann aber auch Technik, die diese verwalten kann. Einfaches Tablet, das für varranger allemal reicht, fällt da schon mal aus. Da bedarf es schon eines ordentlichen Prozessors, Arbeitsspeicher usw. Ein ernst zu nehmender Kostenfaktor. Hardware-Keyobards wären auch denkbar, kommen für mich aber aus Gewicht- und Platzgründen nicht in Frage. Für mich macht Hardware nur in Verbindung mit einem Soundmodul Sinn, da ich mein Bühnenequipment möglichst schlank halten will.

Soweit erst einmal von mir ein paar Gedanken.

Grüße
Matthias
#6
The vArranger² Software Forum / Backup
April 18, 2017, 08:19:02 PM
Since for a long time I use the software no longer from the stick but from the hard drive. The USB stick must still be plugged in at the beginning. Now appears at the beginning every time that the USB stick has a problem. So I now drive every time full of fear to the gig and hope that the stick works. But what if it does not work? How do you do this?

Is there a way to backup? I have no desire to tell the organizer just before the start that I can't play because the stick is broken.

Regards
#7
Hi Dan,

is there any solution?

Regards
#8
This is the XA-File

Thank you and Regards
#9
Today I wanted to load a Yamaha style in XA format. It worked well, but the drums had no bassdrum sound, instead, a percussion sound. Pianosounds were heard in all the other tracks. I use SD1000.

Is it possible to change individual wrong sounds in the drum track?

Regards
#10
I was looking for a keyboard with low weight and no own sounds. I found of m-audio "keystation 88 mk2". What I particularly like is that I do not need a separate power supply, I use only one USB cable for MIDI and power supply, two more things I connect there: a sustain pedal and a volume pedal. For me with varranger a perfect solution. If I do not need varranger, I connect the Masterkeyboard directly with the SD 1000 via the DIN MIDI connection.

I think the case is heavier than the whole keyboard. ;D

Regards
#11
@ Tidom

That VoiceLive2 has a MIDI Through, I know. My TC VoiceWorks plus has a MIDI Through port too, but peixotolopes would like to use no VoiceLive2 or Voice Works plus but a Voice Touch, as you can see it at the topic. Look at the picture, there is only one MIDI In  and no MIDI through.   ;D ;)
#12
@ Tidom
This will not work. As far as I know has Helicon Voice Touch no Midi through.

@ peixotolopes
I use TC voice works plus and control the vocalist using a MIDI interface from m-audio. This is connected via USB to the Windows Tablet. For the left hand, I use a separate sound, which only controls the TC, it is connected using midi out 2 port (midi out 2 = m-audio interface) from vA2. In TC VoiceWorks plus a Midi filter is set, which prevents Program Change. It works great.
#13
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Requirements
April 01, 2016, 06:26:26 AM
Is it possible starting varranger on a Surface RT from USB stick? Actually, you can only start programs from the Windows Store this tablet, as far as I know.

Regards
#14
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Some questions
March 18, 2016, 09:18:27 AM
It would still be very nice if there were the option,  to switch songs by MIDI, so that I can continue to work in the wrong way.  ;D :P

Please  ;)
#15
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Some questions
March 17, 2016, 01:15:51 PM
@ Dan

Many thanks for the note and the detailed description, I feel like to try that.

@ Lylo

That's why I wrote: for me.  ;)

If you're satisfied with the possibilities offered by the software and you get used to the operation, then it is ok. Then I'm happy for you.
;D

This does not mean that all others must also be as satisfied as you. I try to find my own way of use. Therefor I look for all options.

Regards
#16
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Some questions
March 17, 2016, 11:24:58 AM
Ok if you use a pre-determined order, it works. How fast will you be when the 5th title to play first? How fast are you if you wish to play a title which is not in the list, without the possibility of a setlist, which can be created quickly from all songs that are available? I say no.

I'm very grateful for your help finding a solution, we can still discuss forever, but without the features that allow a really fast and comfortable operation, it is and remains for me a software for hobby at home. The basis is great, vA2 is on the right way. I look hopeful for the future, when vA2 becomes a professional tool with option saving song splitpoints, right hand voices, external switching, setlists ...

Regards
#17
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Some questions
March 17, 2016, 08:04:19 AM
@Dan
Is there already a date for when the update will be released with the playlist feature? That would be a big step, so that the software not only for the user at home but also for professional users is interesting. That would be for some certainly an argument to buy.
Are there plans in the very limited possibility of control by MIDI (or missing control of song changing)?

@ Lylo
Is there already a Video of which you spoke?

Regards
#18
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Requirements
March 15, 2016, 12:45:39 PM
I want to use SD1000 and the Master Keyboard Nektar Impact LX88, all connected with Miditech MIDIface 4x4. The software on USB with Tablet Point of View P 1160W. Would it work?

Thanks and Regards
#19
The vArranger² Software Forum / Requirements
March 15, 2016, 07:45:29 AM
What are the minimum requirements for the latest Version of vArranger, if yI do not want to use VST, but only to work vArranger?

Is it possible using a win tablet with Intel Atom quad core processor, 2 GB RAM?

Regards
#20
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Some questions
March 11, 2016, 10:16:16 PM
Hello Dan,

Thank you that you want to program the feature of playlists. My current software for lyrics and sheet music comes from Switzerland and is called songbook (www.bit-software.ch). It is a shareware, for a small fee will all features unlocked. The software processes BMP, JPG, PDF and more.

It has the following features:
MIDI filter and Port Mapper
Karaoke function
MIDI Player
Audio File Player
Creating setlists
Playing Jingles
Calendar with memo function (for events)
etc.

Visually looks the software as 20 years ago Windows software but it works perfectly. It can also be started from a USB stick and has low demands on the technology.
I have the software already tested on various versions: Windows XP, Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 10. I never had problems. Each song can be assigned to MIDI messages, which are then sent as soon as the song is called up.

Thanks again.
Regards
#21
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Some questions
March 11, 2016, 10:08:29 AM
Hi Lylo,

I am very grateful that you help me to find a solution to my problem. The folder solution is a variant that works if I know in advance what I want to play. It may really work for many users. To me that's a problem because I only trying to decide the choice of songs when I notice how the audience responds to certain music genres.

If I have understood you correctly, I can externally only things control that exist as a separate button on the sreen. To speak with Dan's words: This is a bit "old school".

The fundamental problem remains, today I click once on the space bar, if I want to use vArranger I have to have to accept it that once I click to switch the notes/lyrics, and a few times to find and select the next song, (every song) at another screen. This is extremely inconvenient, complex and carries the risk of being wrong turn. This means for me a step forward (musical possibilities) and simultaneously a step back (usability).

All these restrictions are me now aware, I was hoping to find a "New School" solution that I can work as well on as with my "Old School" solution.

I'm afraid I have to accept that there is no practical solution to my problem at the moment. Many many thanks for the many advices and tips. I will continue to think about how I can solve the problem.

Maybe I or someone on the forum has a solution.

Regards
#22
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Some questions
March 10, 2016, 11:03:48 PM
Hello Lylo,

yes I agree with you. You're right, the Chord function is really a great thing. Unfortunately, it does not solve my problem. My problem is that I (if I understand correctly now that) unfortunately only by repeatedly tapping on the touch screen I get my next song. Or by presorted folders (one song follows the other), but if from evening to evening, the title and / or ranked are constantly changing at night, this is also no help.

Too bad that no one can / wants answer my question switching songs with MIDI commands. How ever it is old school or not.

I am still looking for a solution to quickly create setlists during the event to access the songs uncomplicated. I do not want any of the 60 or 80 songs that I need at evening select individually from the whole repertoire.

Or if it does not work, a quick solution calling up songs. All the previously mentioned ways are realy good when I play at home for me, but too burdensome and slow for me at stage. For others it may work.

Maybe I put the wrong demands on the software. When I have the change, colleagues to see live on stage, I notice again and again how much some of them look at the display switching songs, tap here, write there. They also moderating the next song and don't look one time at the audience. The audience waits patiently. I press a button once (the spacebar on Laptop),  everything switch up by using a prepared Midi command in the notes / chords (including Chords, Vocalist, the keyboards), a few words to the audience and "the show goes on".

Regards
#23
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Some questions
March 10, 2016, 11:27:21 AM
@ Dan
Thanks for your Response. But:

So many words and no answer to the last question. :(

First of all: I do not play MIDI files, but exclusively Styles, sometimes only voices without drum or bass tracks.

I play in several different projects in very different locations. In addition, the events vary greatly, thus I never play the same repertoire. The selection of titles is always dependent on the present audience.
Therefore I work the whole night with setlists, I quickly make during the evening in the breaks and so I directly react to the audience. By setlists I can quickly find the title without much interruption.

Here to closer understanding my way of working:

I use for every song on the keyboards an own performance / Registration / SongBook entry, because no song sounds like the other and I always adapting the title to reflect the sounds. In a seperate software for lyrics and notes I create the mentioned setlists.  With each document I call up I send a number of midi commands (NRPN, MSB LSB Prog Ch ...) that switches all the keyboards and Vocalist. For each project, I have a separate folder with notes and texts, so I can only see the lyrics and chords or notes which are really relevant. The hardware is always the same and yet I'm fast.

That what you call "Old school" is in result faster than the cumbersome typing on the touch screen. Moreover, I do not want to explain to the audience why I use the search engine and the typing needs time. During my sets I am ready in 2 seconds for next song, any song, any time – with "old school". And always without danger, taping the incorrect title, to be in the wrong folder, not to find the title by writing errors. And you? How fast are you?  ;)

Creating the next setlist in the software needs 3 minutes. Is your software able to handle that?  ::)

My notes / lyrics over more then one sheet scrolls automatically depending on the length of the song sometimes whithin short stops if I need time for solos or repeats. No manual typing. What about vArranger?  8)

I hope now is clear why I want external control. I want to use vArranger, but must compensate the missing Features in any way.

Back to my last question, hoping I get an answer:

Can I switch songs externally with MIDI Commands?

Or the other way around: Is there a feature to quickly create setlists with several titles that are selected one for one? I hope it is understandable what I intend.

Regards
#24
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Some questions
March 09, 2016, 08:55:01 PM
I hope I have found the solution.  ::)

In a video (unfortunately probably in Spanish, my native language is German  ;D ) I have found under OPTIONS the CONTROLLER window. Unfortunately, I could not understand what the author said, but in the pictures it seemed to work. There was the category Songs / Groups / . If I have understood correctly, the Midi Commands you can manage and define themselves as external control. Can anyone confirm? OR did I misunderstood something?

If this really works, I'm the next vArranger User  ;D  8)
#25
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Some questions
March 09, 2016, 08:16:12 PM
Lylo, please let me know how you work on stage?

What do you use for hardware and how you organize your songs?
#26
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Some questions
March 09, 2016, 07:57:09 PM
Thanks to all for the detailed explanations. Slowly I understand how vArranger works. Still I'm impressed by the possibilities.  :D

You're right Lylo, Styles to play from 4 manufacturers Arranger is a great thing. That fascinates me about this concept.

But as BjayG said before 350 € are a lot of money. If this software opens up my work on stage new opportunities, I will gladly pay more. But if I find that the work on stage more elaborate, the investment was in vain. In this respect a demo version would be good to find out if it is worth buying.  :(

In this regard, I wrote Dan already a mail after he had offered me to answer open questions before buying. The first request remained unanswered. So I try it again today. Should I get an answer, I'll tell you.

Now only remains the question of whether you can switch songs externally with MIDI Commands. I'm afraid, there are no options. In everything I read so far, this has never been an issue.

Has any one idea?

Thanks so much for all your help!
#27
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Some questions
March 09, 2016, 08:36:54 AM
@ BjayG

So what is the solution?  ???

If I can save User Voices in the song, I have no problem. Then several voices for a song would be conceivable. If every time I switch an song, I must adjust Voices, the vArranger-Software would be useless for me.

@all
The second unsolved problem is switching Songs with MIDI Commands. Every Performance/Registration/Songbook entry in an hardware arranger can be switched from external hardware by using Congtrol Change (NRPN, MSB, LSB) or Bank Select / Program Change. What about vArranger? I don't want to switch it with a key from the computer.

How about the so called User Voices? Are they switchable externally, maybe like up and down keys from masterkeyboard with a midi command?

Using the vArranger window for switching all parameters separatly befor playing a song is unthinkable. In my current solution, I look most of the night not to the displays of the keyboards, because the switching of all song parameters happens by calling the lyrics and notes on the laptop (One click!  8) ).

I wonder if switching on program window would be the only solution, how all the other users work on stage.  :-[

#28
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Some questions
March 08, 2016, 09:29:45 PM
Thanks for the information. That sounds not so bad. The missing SplitPoint maybe I can get over. Everything else has already made me curious.

One last question:
Which CC must be sent to open the songs? (NRPN MSB and LSB?)
#29
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: Some questions
March 08, 2016, 07:33:08 PM
Thanks for the answers.

I am now a bit confused. :o I hope, I have misunderstood something now. I've now here al list, which parameters I would like saved. Maybe someone knows what it is actually stored in the Song mode.

- Selected Style / MP3 / Midi File
- tempo
- Sounds left
- Sounds right
- Volume of the individual sounds and Parts
- Panorama
- Sync Start
- Which intro starts
- Which variation begins
- Effect sends
- Used effect
- Split point

These are the important parameters that I need to switch quickly if I want to work properly on stage. Because there is no time between songs, quickly change any other parameters.

Regards
#30
The vArranger² Software Forum / Some questions
March 08, 2016, 07:38:24 AM
Hello,

I find the software very fascinating and consider using them for use on stage. The manual I've already read, but some questions remain unanswered.

If I understand correctly, every song let separately save with all its settings (Sounds, Style, Transpose, Split Point etc.) without any limit how much i need.

Is it possible to switch these stored songs with a MIDI command (Program Change)?

If I understood correctly, I can also assign a text to each song. What happens when the notes are longer than one page?

Can vArranger switch the programs of my Vocalist?

For help and advice I am grateful.

Regards