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Thank you Dan,
all sorted.
Sounds pretty good so far with the styles I've tried.

Thank you Dan,
got the update and styles working , but not accessing the genos sample bank.
I'm guessing I have  not saved to correct folders, didn't fully understand the folder setup.
another one of those senior moments.



so my folder setup is
Sounds,
inside that  a folder SAMPLES,
inside samples  folder ,a folder called AAAA
inside AAAA, a folder called BBBB
inside BBBB the samples?


Use the vArranger Software Synthesizer in GM2 mode for MIDI OUT 1,    this I have set correctly.

Hi Dan,
for those of us who have subscribed, do you send the updates out automatically, or do we need to get in touch with you.
Best wishes
Rikki

Thanks Dan,
done. Look forward to getting it.

Best wishes
Rikki

 
Thank you Dan,
me totally missing something. Glad you worked out what I was doing wrong, it had me totally stumped.
Finally works.

Now,  your Tyros sound  bank, does it have XG drum mapping and mega voices and other stuff,
or does VArranger  play the styles as gm or whatever  mapping you've set up to get the best out of the varranger/tyros bank setup.
Doesn't worry me anymore either way, now that I've managed to get the recording part working in varranger.
It's just out of curiosity.
Can you send me link for Tyros bank for time being, and I'll see how I go with it. And I think I read I can get the rest at the discounted price should I decide to add them.

Thanks Dan.
I was starting to tear my hair out, trying to work out what was going wrong, bald ladies dont look good /haha

Hi Dan,
any files I manage to save  are empty. I've tried loading them into audacity, it doesn't recognise them.  I can save midi files from the song page, they work perfectly. Just something totally weird going on with audio,  as I said, I'm either trying to do it wrong, or something weird going on with my laptop or my VArranger.

We're there ever any utube clips or anything on how to record audio?

Hi Dan ,
I don't get a replay button.
As soon as I press record button , the Save screen pops up, before anything gets recorded,  unless that's how it's supposed to work?? I would have thought a save screen pops up after a recording.

Hi Dan,
My midi out is correctly.

Ok, so I have my song chord  page up and I've put in the chords

I press the audio record, it automatically comes up with a  Save mp3 screen, but I haven't actually recorded anything yet.
I press save, my song chord screen pops back up, am I then press play,  and at the end I press stop on audio record.
But I haven't actually saved or recorded anything.

Obviously I'm doing something wrong, I couldn't find any details on how to go about it.

Best wishes
Rikki

Quote from: rikkisbears on August 30, 2020, 04:34:39 AM
Hi Dan,

What I'm hoping to use VArranger for is to create backing tracks that I can play along to rather than arranger playing. I've been doing this with my sx900  ie record the backing then save as an mp3. Then just use it as backing for my piano practice ? Same with Band in a Box.

Hi Dan,
first up, thank you, got my subscription sorted and got my update. And, yes those piano arpeggios appear to work perfectly now. So thank you, they weren't in the old version that I had.

I've been sorting thru some of my old vsti's  but not sure if I can be bothered with them, they don't seem to work with the fade in/ fade  out.  They're at fault , not VArranger , as they don't recognise expression in my sequencer either, they have a learn function , and at this stage , not sure I can be bothered with all the messing round.

So, does the Genos bank recognise fade in/ out function in VArranger, I use that function in a lot of my backing tracks instead of the intro/endings.

Next, I haven't had a lot to do with recording mp3/wav backing track files, except for pressing the  audio record button on sx900, and it records my midi-file as an audio file  automatically.

Can VArranger do the same? or have I misunderstood.  Because if it can, I am missing something, haven't been able to work out what to do.
All I want to do is type in the song chords, maybe do a bit of adjustment to volumes , and record/save the song as an mp3 or wav, without the need of a sequencer.

Best wishes
Rikki

Thanks Dan,
found it. Just subscribed.  Look forward to trying it again. Sold 3 of my keyboards, only one to go, so if this works for me , it will just be my piano and VArranger for backing tracks.

Thanks Dan

Hi   Dan,
copied this from another post, I didn't want to hijack the other post.


Quote

"This synth is completely integrated in vArranger and has not be created to be an external MIDI sound module
vArranger can play midifiles and record WAV FLAC or MP3"

Still deciding which way to go, ie keep my keyboard or get the sound banks.

So basically, if I wanted to do a backing track using Song Chord function, 
I'd record in Song Chord,
then save as a midi file?   Can a midi file be edited in VArranger or would I need to  edit it in another sequencer? then load it back into VArranger.
From there can the midi file be recorded as an mp3 or wav using your sound bank?

Btw, I need to get an update, my software  is vers.17.  I sent a message earlier this morning, not sure if it went thru, so just in case, I  know I need to join up to get the latest updates, so if you can let me know what to do , be great.

Quote from: bluebeat on August 10, 2020, 11:06:38 PM


1) Lack of style maker > To be able assemble new styles from parts of others. As available with most hardware arrangers.

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Having said that, VA is probably the best software arranger for wide variety of keyboard styles.

Hi,
I edit my Yamaha styles for my sx900 using Split n Splice  and my old xg works sequencer.

Also have a program called Style Magic, but it's not a free one. Haven't quite gotten round to using it yet.

Won't help with the other style formats that VArranger can play, but, at least I can edit Yamaha styles.

Hi Dan,
are you saying all 4 soundbanks are a total  349€   vs  nearly 500€.  if bought individually ?

Can they only be used in VArranger itself?

What I'm hoping to use VArranger for is to create backing tracks that I can play along to rather than arranger playing. I've been doing this with my sx900  ie record the backing then save as an mp3. Then just use it as backing for my piano practice ? Same with Band in a Box.

Considering whether it's worth having a keyboard if I'm not actually playing it as a  real time arranger.

Could you also please send me whatever the latest available update is. Havent used my VArranger for quite a while, and it's badly out of date.

I should be able to tell if what I'm hoping to do will work, though I might still need to work out how the soundbanks fit in.


Thank you.

Hi Dan, where are your soundbanks for sale, or do we get in touch with you direct?

Hi Dan,
Could you please send me a copy of the new update. Thank you for mentioning about the updated psr  Settings for arpeggios.
Actually tried  VArranger with my psr s950 as controller this morning  instead of Pa4x. Gave me far less hassles with setting up.
Thank you.

Hi Dan,
Would luv the update please. Finally getting all my stuff unpacked again.

[OK]

Hi Dan,
Just realised I haven't updated for nearly a couple of years, forgot what I'm supposed to  do.( Just started getting back into my keyboards again.)
Also, is it at all possible to transfer varranger to a different USB stick.
I have a couple of 128 gig sandisk ultra fit USB sticks that I use to run my biab software and  the other I use for my sample tank sounds. My SSD ultra book doesn't have enough storage , so i use these USB sticks for storage, and keep them permantly plugged in. Which only leaves me with one free port for my keyboard.

Next question, I still have my old sd2 which I initially bought for varranger about 5 years ago, not sure if it still works.

So,What actually is the best option for playing the sounds for the styles themselves. Not the melody, I'll probably use my pa4x for melody.

I beleive you now have a gm2 software synth?  and the ability to load sound fonts .

I was using a soft synth arrangers 12 years ago, the problem back then was the quality of the sounds and all the tweaking required to get a style sounding reasonable. It used XG , and there wasn't much around.

Still trying to get my head around the fact, that you have these various styles from different manufacturers, they probably all use different drum mapping, yet, you can get away with using an sd2 to play a Yamaha style which has XG drum mapping?
So varranger converts the XG drums to suit the sd2 drum mapping? Or vice versa if you have an XG sound source and you want to play a Ketron style.

Sorry for the long list of questions.

Thank you Dan,
For sending the update to me so quickly.

Hi Dan,
Could you please send me the latest updates too. Haven't been around in quite some time.
rikkisbears@hotmail.com

Probably up for a pleasant surprise with new features

Best wishes
Rikki

Hi Dan,
could I please get a copy.
best wishes
Rikkii

Hi Dan,
unfortunately I haven't got a clue as to how the guitar mode works in a T4, I don't have access to the keyboard.
Korg's guitar mode reminds me a bit of the macro notes in Band in a Box styles ie  single notes play different types of strums ( amongst other things) & the PA800/PA2X guitar mode isn't quite as sophisticated as the PA3X version.

Having said that, I have absolutely no knowledge on the type of work you do to create VArranger, but I'm confident if anyone is capable of creating a korg software arranger, it would be you.
Being able to play styles from the 4 major brands would be amazing.

Quote from: Dan on May 11, 2013, 10:52:34 PM
I am not at this moment.
Still decoding the file structure.
I was able to decode the new guitar mode of the Tyros 4 styles, so why not korg too?

Hi Dan,
be great if you could get the korg format working.  Are you hoping to get mainly the older styles working or the newer ones that include guitar mode. ie pa800/pa2x  & pa3x.

Hi Dan,
I've been taking a long break.Just noticed you've had an update, so  could you please send me the link also.

Hi Deanne,
all the best with your surgery.

Happy Birthday Dan,
we just got thru celebrating my husbands birthday. His was the 11th Aug.  Probably got a few DECADES on you though. haahaa

Quote from: Dan on August 12, 2012, 07:39:52 AM
Lionel ! What a show man ! Thank you

Dan,
you are BRILLIANT.

Thank you.

Hi Dan,
luv to try it . Congratulations on adding Roland.

Hi Dan,
what, you're thinking of a totally NEW format? That's interestesting.
So I gather you'd create the style from  a . mid file, like I can do for my korg??.

Still be great to have a ketron Editor at some stage, only thing my sd1 lacked, some sort of event list editor.

Please keep us informed about your progress, sounds really interesting.

Quote from: Dan on February 25, 2012, 09:52:05 PM
I think my style creator, will come with a new vArranger style format, to be able to use a mix of features from all style formats

Hi Dan,
great that you're going to add a style creator , for the Ketron Styles??

Changing .sty extension to .mid won't work with Yamaha styles , you'll lose the casm settings  ( as far as I'm aware). I do it to create my korg styles, but the casm settings are then added in the keyboard itself.

There's a couple of links below, may be of help.

I haven't used the program in a long time , but the second link MB's Stylemaker along with a pc sequencer that supports markers, may be useful.


http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/
http://psrtutorial.com/MB/stylemaker.html

Hi Dan,
that''s really great news. I still have some roland styles floating around somewhere.

Quote from: Dan on February 08, 2012, 12:18:46 PM
Roland Style Format almost decoded here

Hi Dan,
sorry, that's way above my head.
I know how to create a korg style, but that's about it.

What korg format did you have in mind?
Guitar Mode style tracks on PA2X/PA3X, would probably prove more difficult than the earlier keyboards that didn't have them??
There again I'm still amazed you manage to create a style player for ketron.

Quote from: Dan on January 25, 2012, 12:55:12 AM
Yes, started to look at the Korg style format.

I have almost understood the compression algorithm of the style, but I have to decode it 100% if I want to add the Korg support.

Do you have any info about the compression of Korg style?

Hi Dan,
you're planning on adding korg as well, that's great.

Hi Dan,
couldn't agree more.

Be great when you get V Arranger set up for Roland styles. They are different to the yammie & ketron styles.

Quote from: Dan on November 06, 2011, 09:18:58 AM
I think we need it because :

Thanks Dan,
I'm up & running.

Hi Jon,
did you mean my original software download, or a download for an Update.
I've never had an update before.

Quote from: jan1kow on September 28, 2011, 10:13:02 PM
download always seems a mystery?
I think its always the same link you have by previous email from dan?
Keep using the same link every new version.
jon

Hi Jon,
thanks.


Hi Dan
I downloaded from my  previous link (actually have 2)  the newest one doesn't work, the prior one did work.  Software says vers.1.14, but song chord doesn't work.midi event list doesn't work & I can't find ins button??

Maybe I've done something wrong.

I gather you're on vacation Dan, enjoy, don't worry I can wait till you get back, it's not urgent. I'll just use my earlier version for time being.

Hi Dan,
where do we download it from??
best wishes
Rikki

Thank you Dan.

best wishes
Rikki

Quote from: Dan on September 17, 2011, 07:53:31 PM
The midifile export is almost finished. I just have a small bug I have to correct before releasing the new version with this feature.
It is crazy... 2 months on a small bug.....

Roland styles, will be I think somewhere in 2012

Hi Dan,
just wondering when you think you'll have the Song Chord saved as midifile function ready?
Something I'm really hanging out for.


Also any idea roughly of when you'll have the Roland Style function. Imagine that's still a way off??

best wishes
Rikki

Hi Deane,
so far so good.

I've got a complicated mess going on that the moment, trying to midi everything together so that I can use my PA3X as controller for my, psr1500, the sd2/varranger plus Band in a Box & my usb sound cards. Just have to get my head around the best way to go so that I don't have to keep swapping cables.

Never been too keen on having the 2 keyboards midied togethether ie stacked on top of each other. Too difficult to get to the appropriate buttons. Hubby managed to vertically mount my old psr 1500 on a keyboard stand. Buttons are directly in front & easy to reach. Now all I need is to sort a a keypad  out for varranger functions & I'll be set. haahaa

The styles you're refferring to, are they Yamaha styles??

Be great when Dan sorts out the Roland function. I've got quite a few of those from my Roland days.

best wishes
Rikki

Hi Lionel/Dan,
unfortunately the variations , intro /ending buttons etc , don't appear to send out any messages to VArranger.
V Arranger recognized a couple of my sliders & I was able to assign midi channels 1 to 16 for volume
but the rest of the buttons , nothing.
The keys could be assigned, but I like having all 61 of them. haahaa
Actually the korg is a good controller as far as arranger keyboards go, far better than my psr or ketron ever was.

I'm quite happy to use a keypad, at least I can set it up as I want.

best wishes
Rikki

Hi Lionel,
I'm using a Korg PA3X Arranger keyboard.

I bought VArranger so that I have access to some of my old Ketron SD1 styles.  Great way to have a Ketron, without actually adding another keyboard.

I don't actually perform, hobbyist , home use only.

Thanks Bernie,
I suppose you do evently get used to where functions are. Can't afford to put stickers on the laptop, or I won't know what I'm typing. haahaa
Don't particularly want to stick them all over my  pa3x either.
The little key pad cost me something like $10 including postage off Ebay, straight from Hong Kong or China. Just a bit junk but may just do the trick.
Just have to work out what I want to assign to each of the buttons..

best wishes
Rikki

Thanks Guys,

finally worked out how to do it, after translating that bit of the manual. Don't want to use my laptop keyboard, because I probably won't remember what key , I assigned to what function. haahaa

I  remembered I had an old cheap usb numerical keypad with about 16 buttons , floating around somewhere. Found it, assigned start/stop,variations, fills, etc to it Going to get myself a set of stickers, that I can stick on the keys, so I know what each  does.. It's even got a couple of usb out ports on it.

May just work for me as I cansit it somewhere a bit more convenient than I could my laptop.

Wow,
talk about fast delivery, my sd2 has just arrived from the USA.  Can't believe it, ordered it Thursday afternoon, it arrived Monday afternoon. I'm astounded.

We live  100 miles out of Sydney , and it takes 2 days just to receive a letter or an express parcel. This came 1,000's of miles in 4 days ,( weekend included).

Anyway, I've got it. I'm really happy to have one again, forgotten how good they sounded.

best wishes
Rikki

Hi,
if one doesn't have a touch screen, what are you guys using to change your variations etc
Full Qwerty Keyboard?? or what.

best wishes
Rikki

Hi Dan,
thank you for the explanation, it's "in the 2 different ranges of the keyboard" that I hadn't known about.

It's actually playing correct notes for whatever the chord is, just not  in the correct order in the arpeggio.

If one was listening to it in a fully orchestrated style with all the tracks playing, it  wouldn't be noticeable, , but in the PianoOrch style which is just strings and piano arpeggio, it is.

There's another one I use in my psr1500 styles ( also in the s710 ) that isn't quite correct either.

I'll try & work out what the arpeggio pattern should be, & what it's actually playing .

No big deal, it probably affects only very , very few styles, I may be able to edit style so it plays back correctly. 

Quote from: Dan on September 10, 2011, 08:21:07 PM
Yamaha styles, can record up to 16 tracks, mixed down to the 8 arrangers tracks. This is often used in Yamaha styles that 2 tracks with different NTR, NTT, RTR settings are played with the same instruments, in 2 different ranges of the keyboard.

By the way, tell me what notes are sounding bad to your ears ?  (variation, track, chord...)

Hi Dan,
I am having a bit of a problem with that piano orch style I sent you.

I must admit I've never noticed that in Yamaha, you appear to be able to have 2 different casm settings for the same style track.
I just put it thru the casm edit program you have on site.

Track 4    has  the piano root note for the arpeggio.
Track 12  has  the  the rest of the notes.

Both these tracks end up playing back as instrument 1, but they have completely different settings NTR, NTT, RTR.

Wondering if this is what's causing the playback of this track not to be 100% correct.

I know I had some hassles when I converted it to korg .

Hi Dan,
have a  question.

The PSR S710 styles , are they factory standard or have you also tweaked them up to work with SD2?  (I sort of won't be able to tell till my SD2 arrives)

With Yamaha styles,  as far as the  Note Transposition settings go, does it matter which tracks ( for instruments 1 to 5 )
are used for rhythmic chords and  for pads, (ie the tracks that have to be based on cmaj7th chords)
and which tracks can be used for arpeggio's & phrases ie notes like c,d,e,g,a &b

I've just been brushing up on my old yammie manual.
ie I noticed in EMC style convert, instruments 1 & 2 have chord setting. 3 pad , 4 & 5 phrases.

Basically are there any restrictions.  I'm planning to edit some of my styles.

best wishes
Rikki

Hi Bernie,
I think it was an option when you first downloaded your software. Either straight to pc or to pen drive.

best wishes
Rikki

Hi Lionel,
please ignore PM, just managed to track one down in USA.

Should hopefully receive in a week or so.

Only question I'm still interested in , is what you did about the difference in volatage between US & Aust.

best wishes
Rikki

Quote from: rikkisbears on September 08, 2011, 07:49:32 AM
Hi Lionel,
thank you, I justsent you a pm

best wishes
Rikki

Quote from: Lionel on September 08, 2011, 07:30:01 AM

Hi Lionel,
thank you, I justsent you a pm

best wishes
Rikki

Quote from: Lionel on September 08, 2011, 07:30:01 AM

Hi Dan,
yep, ever since I was born. haahaa

I get a lot of that.  I've been involved in forums for many years, it's amazing how many people haven't realized I'm a female even though they've known me for years.

I usually try & mention my husband once in a while, just as a hint. haahaa

Quote from: Dan on September 07, 2011, 05:10:01 PM
I didn't know that Rikki was a GIRL !!!!!   

Welcome to the first vArranger's girl

Hi Deane,
the $800 AUD I mentioned, was for my first Sd2, going back3 to 4 years? ( when they first came out).

Haven't checked the price locally yet, I'm hoping they've dropped in price. We've only got one source over here as far as I'm aware.
The Audya originally had a price tag of $10,000 AUD (retail, slightly cheaper with discount) so tells you what sort of a rip off they are over here compared to USA.
Currently our Aussie dollar is worth more than US Dollar, so hopefully it may be reflected in the price. I'll check later today & see how I go.
At the moment I've got it set up with my PA3X.  Can't really play Ketron styles, except for maybe earlier non Live Drum styles, but I've got enough yammie stuff to keep me happy for time being.

Quote from: Deane on September 08, 2011, 12:26:02 AM
Rikki,
I paid $350.00 US for my new one.  I think you said your price down under would be almost twice that.  Any chance of having someone send you one?

Deane

Thanks for the welcome Bernie.
Has been a long time, since the good old Technics days. (possibly close to 10 years? )
Really looking forward to checking it all out. It's a great screen.

Quote from: Bernie9 on September 07, 2011, 03:41:30 PM


Bernie

 Hi Deane,
thank you.
I will download manual as you suggested, or else I imagine I might miss some of the features.

It's great that it loads the yamaha styles. I have some oldies going back to my psr9000pro days. The older ones were simpler than the newer megavoice styles.

Wow, did you mention Roland compatibility. I'd been considering getting a bk-7m just to get access to some of my old roland styles sgain. Might just put a hold on that for time being. Hopefully won't need it. haahaa

Unfortunately I don't have an SD2 at the moment  ( mine got damaged with an update, a year or 2 ago), seriously considering replacing it now, though.

Quote from: Deane on September 07, 2011, 02:19:21 PM

Thanks Bernie,
I'll use pen drive option.

best wishes
Rikki

Hi Dan,
just got my link for download, trying to decide which option to use.

I basically  only use the one laptop, but what happens if I upgrade??

Or , if I put it onto USB stick, what if it gets faulty?


Reason I ask is, I dropped my laptop & broke the hardrive ( fortunately covered by insurance).
After it was repaired, I went to load my data back in from my 6 month old imoga USB hardrive & discovered to my horror, it was faulty.
Been a bit paranoid since about having lots of back ups.

Thanks Lionel,
my husband's mum used to live up at Coolum Beach. Small world.

best wishes
Rikki

Quote from: Lionel on September 07, 2011, 07:28:50 AM
Well how's that another Aussie in this world.

I am up Sunshine Coast Qld

Glad to help whn needed mate

Lionel

Thanks Dan,
I sort of panicked a bit, thought I'd pressed a wrong buton or something. haahaa

Really looking forward to getting the software.

Pretty neat, all I'm missing at the moment is a Roland. Got m Korg. Got a Yammie, now I'll have a Ketron back. Better in software form , rather than another keyboard.haahaa

Thanks Dan

best wishes
Rikki

Quote from: Dan on September 07, 2011, 07:10:07 AM
Hi Rikki,

Thank you for your new purshase. To avoid problems, the download link is created manually, and need my personal touch.

I will send you all the instructions now...

Regards,

Dan

ps : You are from Australia like LIONEL

Hi Lionel,
thank you.

Dan just mentioned you're an Aussie too. I'm in Port Stephens NSW.

Quote from: Lionel on September 07, 2011, 06:51:39 AM
Hi Rikkibears,

Welcome to our happy world of vArranger users.

Well at least I am happy

Rest assured Dan will provide details what is required, probably having a snooze right now!

Yes it is true most online software have automated processing on orders but that depends on your processing budget too.

Anyways, please feel free to pick our brains to get you up to speed.

Regards
Lionel

Hi Guys,
just splashed out and bought my VArranger. Dan was very helpful with a a couple of midifiles I asked if he could do for me.
So here I am.
I guess I'm waiting on an email with instructions for the download??
Dan, the ordering process thru Pay Pal was easy enough, but, unless I missed it, there didn't seem to be any instructions about how the order is to be delivered? ie something along the lines of , we'll email  you a link within the next  24 hours  ( or whatever).
Only reason I mention it is, a lot of the online software is downloadable immediately after payment, and at first I thought maybe I had done something wrong.
Might just put a buyers mind at ease.

Hi Dan,
you can actually download a working version of Sample Lord from the site. It has fade outs as protection.

I'm finding it brilliant. It's not designed for running Win7 yet, but it appears to be working well in mine. I'm running Home Edition with an i7  processor.
I use it in conjunction with  Midi Yoke  ( my vitual midi cable) . It only works in 32 bit mode  not in 64 bit.
Sample Lord loads soundfont banks,  it plays giga samples plus another number of formats. I mainly use GM Soundfont Banks. They respond to bank & program changes just like a GM sound module. Currently I'm trying to get an XG Bank put together  for my psr styles.

Unfortunately HyperCanvas won't run in my pc. In the way of softsynths, there's  nothing much else that does the required Bank & Program changes. The only other one's I've come across are DXI's & VSTi's which need a host.

best wishes
Rikki

Quote from: Dan on October 18, 2010, 02:00:00 AM
Hi Rikkisbears,

Yes exact, you can plug your midi out to a software GM synth with a virtual midi cable. I already tried the Edirol HyperCanvas, and it is working.

What about SampleLord. Is it stabe, no latency and can react to the program/bank changes?

Dan

Hi Dan,
the reason I asked about the format is, yesterday  I came across the Audya Style Compiler software.
It appears to be able to create an  Audya style from midifile format, plus you appear to be able to edit the style to a certain extent in the compiler itself.
That is something that has really bugged me about Ketron's since my SD1+ days, lack of note editing functions.
I used to try & edit Ketron styles in EMC software in event list edit. Unfortunately, EMC used to remove certain controllers from the beginning of the style, making some of them unuseable.

Hence I though, finally some sort of a Ketron editor.

best wishes
Rikki

Hi Dan,
before I get my hopes too high, will VArranger load a midi based Audya Style?

best wishes
Rikki

Hi Dan,
does this mean you can use a software GM synth connected by virtual midi cables?
I'd luv to be able to use my soundfonts via a standalone sample player like SampleLord.

best wishes
Rikki

Hi Dan,
could I get a copy of your demo program also.

best wishes
Rikki