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#1
Thanks Dan. Looking forward to it.

Frank L. Rosenthal
#2
Dan I am not certain whether my Emails are getting to you. I would like to receive the most up to date version of vArranger.

Thank You
Frank
flr@mymts.net
#3
Dan I to would like your update.

Thank you

flr@mymts.net
#4
Well it all works (Halion Sonic 2, Windows 10 on my General & Music Computers). To make this happened required the updates for the all Drivers & the BIOS.

I will give Goliath a try to see how will it works and sounds.

Thank you to all for your interest and help.

Frank
#5
Lylo, you are correct about V1.one being old. In addition, it only has 33 MB in the GM wavetable. This does not make for the best quality sound.

I am going to check out SoundsonLine's Goliath. It supports GM.

Well I got one of my computers back up and working. It needs all the drivers updated if you want to run Windows 10 with a minimum number of issues. I should have known this.....oh well.

Frank
#6
Dan, I agree with you.

Dan, of all the GM alternatives which sounds the best to you....need advice.

I use the same eLicenser on both computers. It works on my general computer but not on my music computer. Both computers are essentially the same.

Halion Sonic standalone and VST just hangs on startup.

Tragically, I had to take in my general computer. The mouse and keyboard were not accessible. This means I could not make use of it. There have been Windows 10 complaints about this issue.

Oh well somewhere along the way I will get all stuff working!!!!

Frank
#7
I looked at some of the options open to me:

>Change back to Windows 7 (need to do that within a month) where everything works Including Halion.
>Buy a new computer with Windows 10 and hope that everything will work.
> Stay with what I have (Windows 10) and use Bandstand (or lesser quality SGM2.01 or other soundfonts).
   and wait for a Halion fix or another GM Wavetable with a host such as kontakt.
> Or I could format C:Drive and start over and reinstall all my music software.......I am to old for this. Plus
   there is no guarantee that the software in question will work.

It should be noted that even Halion 1.6.3 did not work in Windows 10 on my music computer. I had no trouble
with it in Windows 7.

All my very high quality right hand lead VSTs work well in Windows 10 or 7 (kontakt, Garittan, etc.)

Frank
#8
 Lylo, Yes I agree that Halion Sonic is the best GM VST. Again thanks for your help. What do you think of VI.ONE.

Dan, I have made contact with Steinberg. It will be difficult for them to provide advice without having my computer to work with. If I new blanking my C: drive and reinstalling all the software would work I would do so. It would be to much work with no guarantee it would solve the issue.

Frank
#9
Just a quick update. I got Halion Sonic 2 working perfectly on my general purpose computer. It does not work on my music computer. When you try and run it as standalone or as a VST it hangs. The only difference between the two computers is that the music computer has considerably more memory and a professional sound card.

My guess is I willl give up on the trial Halion and find some other high Quality GM VST. I could buy the regular Halion product but there is no guarantee that I would have any greater success with it.

Frank
#10
Lylo, Thanks for all you help.

Halion Sonic 2 (Trial Version) has been downloaded. I will let you know how things work on my system once I get around to installing it all.

Frank
#11
Lylo, I just started the download for Halion 2 Trial version.

With regard to the eLicencer usb key, I did not need it for the Windows 7 version. Instead a software version of the eLicencer was used. I do have the eLicencer usb key for Cubase which I purchased many, many years ago. Would I be able to us it with Halion 2 and my existing Halion Sonic Version 1.6.3. I have tried it with Halion Sonic 1.6.3 but could not get it to work. I probably am not smart enough for this kind of stuff.............

Frank
#12
 Lylo, Thanks for your advice. I will look into Halion 5&2 and purchase them if they are Windows 10 compatible and have GM.

You made my day!!!

Frank
#13
I tried but was unsuccessful in getting Halion Sonic 1.6.3 to work on my system. It may be incompatible with Windows 10. I will contact Steinberg about this and see what they have to say. I will also check whether Halion 5 and 2 are compatible with Windows 10 and whether they include a GM Wavetable. I did not see this in their product information.

All my other important VSTs (Kontakt, Bandstand, Antares Harmonizer, etc.) work fine with my host Abelton Live.

Frank
#14
I have just updated to Windows 10. What seems to happen is all your passwords and product activation codes disappear in the process. This among other things includes vArranger. With Dan's help this will be fixed. However, I am not certain how to proceed with Halion Sonic. Do I uninstall it and start over? What experience can you provide. I use Halion Sonic for my auto accompaniment and Kontakt and other VSTs for my lead instruments.

I know this subject has been dealt with in other posts on this and other sites but what suggestions can you provide concerning high quality auto - accompaniment voices.

Your advice will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

Frank

flr@mymts.net
#15
Dan, I would like a copy as well.

Thank you

Frank L. Rosenthal
#16
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: THE SOUNDS PROJECT
November 18, 2013, 01:19:42 AM
Dan, I would also be interested but as you know the system I currently have works exceedingly well. As a result I would like for the vArranger current design to remain as one option, i.e., without softsynths or VST Hosts. My system I think is described in the following:

http://www.varranger.com/vforum/index.php/topic,949.msg7956.html#msg7956

Frank
#17
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: vArranger2
October 01, 2013, 12:38:04 AM
Dan, I am very happy to hear that.

Thank you

Frank
#18
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: vArranger2
September 30, 2013, 07:41:32 PM
Dan, just so you know I use Ableton Live as my host for all things to do with my software based arranger system.

> GM/XG wavetables for vArranger accompaniment (Halion Sonic, Bandstand, etc.).
> High quality instruments for my right hand instruments (kontakt, Garritan, East-West, etc.).
> Vocal Harmonizer (Antares).

So for me adding VST or other instrument capability to vArranger is an unnecessary complication.

Frank
#19
The vArranger² Software Forum / Re: vArranger2
September 29, 2013, 02:57:10 PM
Thanks Dan, I just got it and will test and use it.  I appreciate your quick and excellent support.

Frank
#20
The vArranger² Software Forum / vArranger2
September 26, 2013, 12:49:01 AM
What is the most current version and how do I go about downloading it?

Frank L. Rosenthal
flr@mts.net
#21
Dan.........................thank you.

You are a smart guy. You thought of everything!!!

Frank

#22
Dan, I forgot to ask you about Reverb and Chorus. Above each sound/instrument their are 2 buttons. Below these button it indicates Chorus and when drop the menu there is no indication for Reverb. Where is the Reverb? I know I see something about Reverb on the far left for what looks to me as the overall Reverb.

The styles include levels of Reverb for each instrument. Would vArranger be sending this to Ableton Live/Halion Sonic?

Frank
#23
Dan, just to make a little more clear as to why am changing from my former software arranger (you know which one it is). The former software had some of the following drawbacks:

>The code is over 110 mb.
> As a VST host it is cumbersome - I prefer my own host.
> I did not use the sounds that came with it.
> The start/stop from my A37 always required the author to modify the software on each update.
> Tempo still does not work - I have to manually modify it before it stays instead of always at 120bpm.
> Moving to a new menu always left some of the main menu covering it - it needs to refresh!!!

I, of course, understand there generally two (may be more) markets for arrangers. There are those who want everything in one package and play out of the box. There are those like myself who like to be in control of as many aspects of the software based system as possible. It is a little more complex but once setup it works as reliable as any other system (hardware or software).

You already know this.....oh well

Frank
#24
Dan ...................... it Works!!!

I ran some 5 problem styles ( I have more) and they all seem to work as expected. I wil now proceed and put my system with vArranger at the heart under full load and see how everything works including the user interface.

Right off the top, the following is what I like about vArranger:

> It is strickly for playing styles (and left & right if you want). This keeps the amount of code down and operates very quickly.
> I like to keep my Left and Right seperate on VSTs  (Very, very, very high quality).
> I like to use my own sounds for the styles (Haion Sonic, Bandstand SGM2.01).
> I like to use my own vocal harmonizer (Antares).
> Abelton Live is a very good host for VSTs

This is why I like vArranger and why I like a software based arranger. Plus it is reliable......

On top of everything you have Dan who responds quickly and helps you get started. I got vArranger operating within a week or so and this is with a fairly complex system.

Frank
flr@mts.net
#25
Dan, you were going to send me a modified vArranger to accomodate the Yamaha styles which do not have the SInt section. Once this is done I should be good to go and test my whole software based arranger system under full load.

Thank you

Frank
flr@mts.net
#26
Dan, yes that could be. It is actually a style from the PSR 9000 Pro which I used to own many, many, many years ago. I tried the original style first. It resulted in the same issue so I thought I would load it into Live-Styler and saved it with the same issue when played in vArranger. I have been a Live-Styler user for many years. Oh, the style plays ok in Live-Styler......I am getting myself into trouble if I keep this up.....oh well.

I have been a software arranger user for some 20 years, starting with Music Companion, RMCA, Jammer Live, etc.

I am trying to move over to ........................vArranger!!!!

I guess there won't be a vArranger copyright in any of the styles in the immediate future???

Frank
#27
Dan, I can wait for your fix for the style problem. I got a number of styles that I assume have the same issue.

Thank you
Frank
#28
Dan, I got the menu system working....so I am near ready to go.

There are some Yamaha sytles that do not load up into vArranger with the correct instruments. I have attached one example for you to look at.

Frank
#29
Dan, I got it working. channel 5 in Ableton Live was set to the wrong port-----My MISTAKE!!!!

Sorry for all the trouble I caused plus wasting your time.

I will likely need more help to get all this working but you brought me a long way to the finish line.

Thank you

Frank L. Rosenthal
#30
Dan, so why does the Bass Strip on vArranger show channel 5 as trombone. Plus there is no sound coming from it when you solo it. Plus there is no bass coming from anywhere else in vArranger.

Looks like I am stuck ..... Oh well I tried

Thanks for all your help.

Greatly appreciated.

Frank
#31
Dan the correct channel assignment by the style is as follows:

Channel 9      Standard Set
Channel 10    Standard Set
Channel 11    Finger Bass
Channel 12    Jazz Guitar
Channel 13    Grand Piano
Channel 14    Trumpet
Channel 15    Trombone
Channel 16    Brass Section

In addition, I use GM for playing the style parts. The above is also what you will find other style players using for Yamaha styles including style editing software. I may not have gotten the instrument exactly as shown by the style but it will be close. In addition, this is what shows up in Ableton Live & Halion as well.

Again channel 11 in vArranger is Trombone (with no sound but it shows it is playing) vs Finger Bass.

The other channels 1-8 are used for Right Hand and Left Hand voices which I don`t use.

Thank you
Frank
#32
Dan, when I use other style players that particular style I sent you plays properly on my system. So to me it must be a setting on vArranger that I did not get right. Currently the bass shows up as channel 5 and when I go and look in Ableton Live- Halion Sonic Channel 11 shows up as a Trombone. Plus there are number of channels from 1 to 8 playing which should not be.

If you can think of something let me know. I have got to run and do other things but I will be checking back as soon as I can.

Sorry to take all your time and thank you for your help.

Frank
#33
Dan, please find an attached Yamaha style as requested.

I don't have a lot of time to carefully test everything including whether the other style channels match those of vArranger. I did notice that when you double click on the bass volume strip the window shows channel 5 when it should be 11.

I also noticed that vArranger's bass Patch, MSB & LSB did not match those of the style. It should be 33, 0, 0.

Hope this helps.

Frank
#34
Dan, I can't seem to resolve another problem. The bass in all my Yamaha styles is not sounding. The bass volume indicator is showing that the signal is getting thru....but no sound. All other sounds seem to work ok.

I again could use your help.

Frank
flr@mts.net
#35
Dan, thank you

Frank
#36
Dan, I got most things working ....... thanks to your help.

More on the topic of sizing vArranger and your comment below:

"Strange. Where did you put the vArranger2.exe icon?  maybe in a place where you can't save (c:\  or  Program files\) Try right clicking on the icon and Run as Admin.  I just tried right clicking on the vArranger background and Saving the position was ok for me."

Where is the best place to install vArranger C:/, Program Files (x86), etc.?

When I tried to run it as Admin. vArranger would not launch and asked me to copy the registration information to be sent to you. Plus I could not get out of this window and had to forcefully shut down Windows 7. I tried it normally a few more times using your advice of double clicking and saving the screen......it finally seem to have caught. Before I jump up and down for joy I will launch vArranger a number of times and see how it goes.

So now I will start making a menu system for the styles I normally use. Any advice you may have in this regard would again be greatly appreciated.

Once again your help is greatly appreciated.

Thank you

Frank
flr@mts.net
#37
Dan, I just started installing vArranger on my music computer and got some things working. I have some further questions:

> For some reason the screen sizing is not maintained when  I close vArranger and launch it again. I did the screen save as you suggested.

>How do you go about splitting the keyboard within vArranger?

> How can I get rid of the accordion setting? All I need is the keyboard split and a straight port from the keyboard to vArranger and a virtual cable from vArranger to Abelton Live. Plus vArranger does not maintain the settings on the next launch of vArranger.

> Also other general setting (main volumes - Left = 0, etc). are not maintained upon the next launch of vArranger.

Once I get the above figured out I will be a lot closer to my goal of making it all work. The next challenge for me will be to set up a menu system for my styles.

Thank you

Frank
flr@mts.net
#38
Dan, thanks for sending me the current version of vArranger.

I have a few more questions:

When you load a style into vArranger and make adjustments to effects and volumes can that be saved to the style?

On my Roland A37 I have 2 midi ports (A & B) which I split:

Port A goes to Ableton Live/Kantakt for my right hand (main) voices/sounds.

Port B goes to vArranger for both changing style parts and sending the chord changes. As noted previously the lowest octave I use to accomplish the style part changes, e.g., start/stop, intro/endings, Part A, B, etc. The next above the lowest octave I use to send chords to vArranger. Can these functions be kept separate so that when I send a part change that it does not affect the chord I am playing?

I use 2 computers (General for editing, internet and other uses & a Music computer not connected to the internet). Can I install vArranger on both or do I need to buy another license for this?

Frank
flr@mts.net
#39
Dan, thanks for kind and quick response. I will have a go at it.

You indicated you sent me the most recent version of vArranger. Did you send it to my email address flr@mts.net?

Thank you

Frank L. Rosenthal
flr@mts.net
#40
The following is my flr2013 Arranger Software System:

Windows 7.
Live-Styler (mostly), vArranger & OMB.
Abeleton Live includes effects (replaces forte as host).
Kontakt 5 Sampler for Main or Right Hand Sounds.

Main or Right Hand VST Sounds:
NI Kontakt 5, Bardstown, VRSound, GOP, JABB, Garritan Strings, and many others.

Auto Accompaniment Wavetables:
Halion 1.6, Bandstand, SGM 2.01, Colossus (General Midi, XG, GS, etc.)

Antares Harmony EFX (Works well with Abeleton Live but not with Brainspawn's forte.).


i7 Intell Processor
8GB RAM
M-Audio 1010LT Soundcard

I would like to change this to where I mostly use vArranger (vs Live-Styler). However, I would like to check on a few things before I invest to much time on switching over:

> I use the Roland A37 as my Midi Controller. Can I program the bottom Octave of the keyboard to change the various style parts, e.g., Start/Stop, Parts A,B,C,D, Intros/Endings, etc.  If so can you give me some idea on how to go about this.........aside from reading the manual.

> I assume with proper porting I can use Halion (or other Wavetables) as my sound source for vArranger style playing. Such wavetables would be hosted as VSTs in Ableton Live.

> Play my right hand sounds using Kontakt VST hosted in Ableton Live.

> I assume you can load a menu of styles within vArranger for easy access while playing.

> Is there a way of screen sizing vArranger for easy access to Ableton Live so that both are functional?

> I assume I can use Yamaha Styles.

> Any other advice would be greatly appreciated.

If it is better to work via email rather than on the forum that is ok by me.

I currently have vArranger 2.

Thank you

Frank L. Rosenthal
flr@mts.net
#41
I would like to get this version of vArranger.

Thank you

Frank L. Rosenthal
flr@mts.net