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I dont understand how do we link a CD/audio file with a free midi track in Varranger and how do we sync this?
jon

If you stop midi file before end of song the controllers and not reseting or are staying in the Sd100 memeory .
Does the VArranger panic button not clear any out of tune pitch wheels etc.
jon

where do I get this configuration folder for different scenes?
jon

thanks

Do you mean you have to work to understand more about SD1000 or are ketron asking you for more info about the bugs you are descovering.
jon

Dan,
Have ketron contacted you or made any fixes for the SD1000 bugs you informed them about several months ago?
jon

I think that is the STYLE that needs to play back your song chords in that way.
jon

Dan,
Have ketron contected you or made any fixes for the SD1000 bugs you informed them about several months ago?
jon

Dan,
Have ketron contected you or made any fixes for the SD1000 bugs you informed them about several months ago?
jon

surface only appears to have one USB port?
jon

YES  new version with updates that we discussed
jon

enjoy the loire valley
jon

Can I ask - back from where?
Are you visiting Ketron. lol
jon

You are right .
I always convert my midi with lyrics to kar bacause I use cakewalk for editing the patches, notes and events, etc.
When doing this Cakewalk messes up the (line by line/created by GN Midi) lyrics unless the files are in kar format. 
If I have 20 midi in a folder and want to see how many I have without lyrics added I could tell an a glance how many still need the lyrics syncronising because they will not be kar files. However I can continue to can look outwith VA inside the folder and see the file extensions if you do not see it worthwhile.

jon

16 is the track number not the controller number  ?
jon

Dan
can we have different colours in the corner of the box to show the different mid/kar files.
As song titles more than three words make it difficult to see the small box in the corner showing the mod/kar files .
At present both are dark yellow colour. 
jon

Dan
Are you on holiday in New York and have you had any updates from Ketron regarding the  bugs in the Sd1000 you told them about 2 months ago?
jon

Terry
Is the SD1000 not powered by USB rather than direct from mains supply?
jon

what is the controller number

I cant see this in the list because you never gave us the controller number to help.
AnywayI think it would be to mute the melody when a midi is playing.
jon

Gerard, Are you saying you cannot use the new usb output of the SD1000 and have to use the old analogue 5 pin THRU midi connections to make your vocalizer  transpose vocal harmony work. 
Does this mean that the  USB midi is processing digital midi messages that are different to standard 5 pin midi.     
jon

Any advice if it is worth making or buying a flight case 107x40x20cm.
To take about 12KG of lighting rigg. 
Any one suggest a cheap UK maker online.  And roughg costs?
jon

Were you trying this using sxsex messages?
Do any sysex messages work?
jon 

The choir voices are really good.
Low voices are male and higher are female on some of the sounds.
Others choir voices sound the same as SD2. 
jon

Angel
Yes I guess the drums will be slighhty better but the work involved in re-ballancing all other tracks as well as the individual drum parts (kick, snare, hihat, cymbal etc) puts me off making the change over. It took me 2-3 years tweeking to get to where I am.
I have 2 x SD2 (one is a backup and rotate their use over every 4 months).
If I had to change due to faulty equipment etc then I would probably buy the latest SD1000 bacause I had to.
But hopefully Ill be fine for a 'wee while as we say in Scotland.
jon 

Pax-eterna etc
I agree with you regarding the apparent minor tweeks in the sounds of Sd1000. I like the USB power idea.
Ketron SD2, Midjay etc already have great sounds so it would be a challenge to get better much better?
However I think we needed better strings, guitars, organs, brass, bass and drums. The SD2 are however already to a professional standard.   
The SD1000 may have made better sounds if they are listened to individually.
But I think most of us will be playing about 7 sounds at one time to play a auto accompanyment style or 10 to 16 sounds to play a midi file.
When all are playing together the audience would probably be none the wiser of any differences between the various ketron sound modules.
One thing I really miss in the SD2 is human voices that change their singing words with different notes played.  (3-4 words are used)
I think SD1000D has the human voicees  but I would not pay the price only to have these.
Also the big problem as Dan says is the SD1000 nstruments have different volumes compared to SD2 etc. so all of my 4000 midi files would need their volumes re-ballanced. This is time consuming and very difficult. What sounds right in the house is always different in a venue.   
I have been tweeking my midi files for over 2 years to get them to sound nearly perfect to my ear for my needs.
I estimate I would need to spend 5 hours 3 nights a week for several months to re-ballance all my midi files to sound right with the SD1000.
Probably SD1000 reverb levels will need tweeking as well as some sysex messages to all my midi files. 
I will be thinking seirously about this as it is a big task. Also my mouse arm would probably would never recover from the stress of this physical strain.
Jon
UK   



     

the instrument names are in English so we will understand with a French accent os OK
jon

Dan
Can you SAY the sounds that you are selecting in the demos
jon

Can we bid for what sounds come next . lol
jon

Im interested in the accordion and human voices ie Jazz scat, Chior Ah , choir OOH etc
Also better strings and guitars.   
jon

I always wondered how the audio and video was recorded to give good audio.
Is it not possible to put the SD1000 out lead directly into the video camera microphone input.
jon

Dan, Perhaps you could use existing vArranger "SONG CHORD" charts function to export the existing chords to a new line (of chord symbols) above the lyrics display.
What do you think?
jon

Angel You can do it without an ins file.
The ins file just tells you the instrument names unique to ketron.
I just remember that a GM SAX is a ketron SOPRANO SAX etc. as I generally only use about 20 different ketron instruments you start to remember what they are. 
Maybe you can let me know if there are any other advantages I might be missing with a ins file installed?
jon

Angel,
Im fine just back from my holidays in Torremolinos.
I was catching up on 2 weeks of unread emails so my appologies If I maybe should have read your correspondence and understood better. lol
jon

Angel
Why do you want to use BIAB anyway when vArranger song chord function does same?
jon

Dan any progress on chord harmonization where a single right hand melody note will play chords harmonized linked to what chords are being played on the left hand.
jon

Dan
Where were you playing that you were in a airplane?
Have you heard anything from Ketron on the SD1000 bugs.
Did they even acknowlege your email to then.
jon

Dan,
You say SD1000 is also USB powered.
If power from mains supply is it still a 9V mains plug they supply like Sd2. 
Are volumes od instruments different that we will need to re-ballance all styles and midi files for Sd1000.
Are reverb types much different  and the sysex codes different for SD1000 reverb types.
jon

Angel
I think we should give ketron reasonable time to reply to Dan.
Then if they dont play fair we could try some tactics.
We dont want to get their back up against us.
I dont think their management skills are like most other companies.
I think Ketron as a bit diffrent from normal companies and we should be a little patient to start.
jon

Hope so because I want a SD1000 soon.
jon

Maybe we can make them fix Sd1000 bugs quickly if nobody buys the SD1000 untill we know of the situation with the bugs??

jon

They are bad Dan.
They mean well but  give themselves problems
jon

Dan
For you to sell SD1000 you would need to be the sole importer in France I think.
Also WEEE waste ..... etc

The Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment Directive (WEEE Directive) is the European Community directive 2002/96/EC on waste electrical and electronic equipment (WEEE) which, together with the RoHS Directive 2002/95/EC, became European Law in February 2003. The WEEE Directive set collection, recycling and recovery targets for all types of electrical goods, with a minimum rate of 4 kilograms per head of population per annum recovered for recycling by 2009. The RoHS Directive set restrictions upon European manufacturers as to the material content of new electronic equipment placed on the market.

The symbol adopted by the European Council to represent waste electrical and electronic equipment comprised a crossed out wheelie bin with or without a single black line underneath the symbol. The black line indicates that goods have been placed on the market after 2005, when the Directive came into force.[1] Goods without the black line were manufactured between 2002 and 2005. In such instances, these are treated as "historic weee" and falls outside

Dan
I wish Ketron had the common sense to send the SD1000 to you for testing before this.
We like Ketron but they are silly and have stupid ways to deal with things.
They give themselves unecessary trouble and bad name which could easily be avoided.
They should have sent out 10xSD1000 demos to people like you who are reputable to test this first.
I bet it takes many months for them to fix bugs and make new software SD1000 versions now.
Jon
UK   

Dan
so all volume ballancing will need to be re-done for our saved styles and midi files etc.
Thats a big editing job.
Hopefully any bass I have at volume 100 for SD2 can all be set to say vol 90? for SD1000 etc. 
what about reverb CC#91 as I always found it was needing to be set high on SD2. 
jon

I think the usb cable only replaces the midi interface cable but the Sd1000 will still need external power supply as usb may not supply enough power to also power the Sd1000

jon

Ah. I never knew there was enough power from a 5 pin midi for devices to work.
jon

I have never heard of any5/7 pin midi interface cable sending power only midi data?
jon

Thats great Dan
jon

What are we meant to do with the grooves.
I dont understand ?
jon

I bought a USB pedal form US delivered to me in UK the shipping/delivery company also charge 2.5% a handling charge for collecting the import tax on behalf of the customs department.
jon

ok
Just getting anxious.
jon

Customs Import tax is the problem probably adding about 25% onto the cost?

he price is out at- Prezzo*: € 399,00
Paolo are they selling it then?
jon

ok thanks Dennis

Page 53 of the Sd1000 manual . what is 3xH and 21h relevant to?
NRPN High NRPN Low Description Insert MFX Mix Controls 3xh  21h

Also about the sysex reverb levels.
If default is 32 they do not suggest the above and below the default values? Im i missing something?
SYSEX - F0H 26H 7BH 02H 00H vv F7H
Reverb master level, default = 32
= F0 26 7B 02 00 32 F7

I an not very shure about understanding sysex
The Sd1000- F0 26 7B 00 00 vv F7 SYSEX for reverb types seems to be the same as old SD2 - F0 26 7B 00 00 06 F7
What VV? do we insert for Hall 2 (14H)
I think it would be 14 but the Sd1000 manual says values 0-7...not 14?
Page 60......
F0H 26H 7BH 00H
00H vv F7H
Reverb type (vv=0 to 7), default = 03H
10H : Room1 11H : Room2
12H : Room3 13H : Hall1
14H : Hall2 15H : Plate
16H : Delay 17H : Pan delay

I think the units need too much power for USB?
Is RCA outputs any worse that 1/4" jack plug outputs that Tyros use?
I dont think any other midi module/keyboard uses any other output apart from 1/4" jack plugs? 
jon

its a pity things need to be so expensive for you in Australia.
Is everything like that or just Ketron?
Cant you but from europe?
I guess you would need to pay high taxes and shipping?
Maybe a friend visiting UK/europe in the summer could buy it and not declare as new at customs - just saying it is theirs and already used?
Is that too risky and complicated??
jon

Angel
Let me know what they say. 
Im getting impatient now. lol
jon

Got a email newsletter from Ketron about SD1000 but still nowhere is selling it?
jon

There are over 60,000 yamaha styles to choose.
I have tried several hundred so far and happy with the choices without adding Korg to the equation?
jon   

Dan
I use two different varranger .ini set ups as you advised me last year.
As xuanvus says it is annoying needing change/rename the varranger .ini folders to select the set up needed at different gig with different gear.   
Other software have saved "SCENES" to allow different setups.
This would be a good idea.
jon

I have a nanocontroller and don not understand your problem. ?
Just choose what controllers you want to assign to your 8 buttons/knobs and egnore any remaining cotrollers.

jon

Chico,
I agree what you say and that reading lyrics from a monitor etc. does not look as good as from memory . But I am also confused.
Are you using vArranger or other equipment to play sequences/auto accompanyment for jazz music but not wanting the audience to know. 
You say they will know if they see your computer etc. But you are still going to do it anyway.
So it must be good enough if you can fool them without them seeing your laptop etc?
jon 

Jose
I do not think people care if you use a computer as long as the songs and sound is good.
Many top singers sing only to Karaoke CGD files without playing any instruments or having any musical ability.
They are getting the best work because people want the sound to be like the original artist.
jon

OK
Thank You

Dan,
Can you explain how controllers are working.
In the controllers list it shows the Midi in Port.
Is this the actual input of the USB on the computer and what if I use a different USB input next time
How does that effect the controllers if they look for port/USB input previously used/saved? .
When you select "My Songs" folder is there a keyboard controller to scroll up and down (one at a time) the files (on the left ) inside that folder. 
114/115 is page by page
jon

Does anyone know if there is a excel spreadsheet (xls) for chord charts similar layout to vA song chords charts.
I want to save time without having to type (eg Cmaj7) etc and simply have a drop down list to choose the chords to be placed in the Excel cells when preparing chords for songs before use in vA.
Jon

Squeezing the metal USB plug (2 flat surfaces of rectangular USB plug) so it fits tighter seemed to work but will know for sure after a few more gigs
Thanks have kept copy posts in help forum http://forum.djtechtools.com/showthread.php?t=19398 for reference anyway.
Jon   

My Nanokontroller has been loosing its midi imput connection with vArranger every few minutes recently.
I think the USB plug was slightly loose or metal stretched with constant use over the last 2 years.
I slightly squeezed the USB plug to make the metal closer tighter fit into the laptop and it appears tio have helped.
Any one have similar problems with over used USB plugs on midi devices?
jon

use cakewalk for editing midi files
jon

aNGEL1000
Its interesting what Giorgio says. He talks about not reproduce audio parts with varranger etc.
Think he means like audio drum and guitar loops in Audya styles.
The midi sounds are good for me for now.
If one day Dan can get the audio samples we can have the same sounds.
Audya etc. is just a dedicated computer for playing styles.   
jon

Ok so who actually is Giorgio Marinangeli ?
I dont read Italian
scrive:   
aprile 14, 2013 alle 9:20 am   

Due to the period of crisis, keton reduced its working group too, so , there was not the possibility to publish video or other material directly from the fair.
Some recordings were made, I think you will able to see this videos on the ketron web site in the coming days.
I was at the fair and I can tell you this:
I had a good feeling, so many people came to see the ketron product.

Gp1 has a great sound, you can hear the resonance of the strings and all the nuances of a large acoustic piano.
SD1000 has a great sound and wave table seems very complete and convincing.
Midjpro now includes a professional style section.
Ketron's team is working to create new style to be included in midjpro.
Good is the new usb-card reader, with this new module, you can update old instruments like sd1, x1, etc. ..

For all other matters, remember: this is my personal blog, it is not the ketron blog.

So Ketron SD1000 apparently launched at musikmesse 2013 and yet nothing on the WWW?
jon

no i got same blank

Agree that I have anxiously been hoping for a youtube musikmesse 2013 Ketron demo etc.
But then ketron showed us an empty shell SD100 demo one year ago at same show???

It sounds difficult for you guys in Australia.
But you have much sunshine. lol
We have ketron, smow and cold rain.
jon

angel1000
This ketron link that Claudio has given now gives us more details about the Sd1000.
I forgot the audio loops also are for some instruments. 
jon

angel1000
We will have to wait and see what ketron put into SD1000?
If they put live precussion sounds in Sd1000 is there any software available NOW that could deal with this? (I think not?). 
I would not pay the cost of midjay pro just to get the small number of live sound loops.
Audiences are not actually that observant?
Jon

angel 1000
you wont need Midjay pro if you use vArranger?
Are those lave precussion drum sounds really that important over all other instruments when blended together to make a complete backing etc. ?
jon

angel1000
The SD1000 does not have accompanyment rhythms- only sounds .
It is only a sound module like the SD2 which needs imformation from external computer etc. to tell it how and when to play the sounds .
jon

angel1000
you say the Midjay pro will have real audio slices for drums and percussions.
Maybe with the SD1000 it is not possible to have real audio slices as the module is driven by an external device like computer laptop etc.
The Midjay pro is a standalone unit with its own os and software etc allowing access to those slices.
jon 

so $650 canadian is £418 GBP

paoloaccordion
Thanks for the www.link
I have a crosio accordion so will know where to get repairs if needed now.
Thaks again
jon

Dennis,
I thought it was just that the style writers cound not be bothered or thought it was not necessary to write longer styles/patterns.
But if you are sure that the keyboards are not capable of reading longer styles/patterns thats not so good.
yes I think there is a ketron polka with 16 bars intro/outro
jon

Dan
I often have different versions of same song titles in different folders for different purposes and audiences.
It would help if in song search that the song name also shows the folder it is in so I can select the correct song version?
jon
Uk

Dennis
I think any pattern for any manufacturer can be written up to 32 bars but it is just that the manufacturers do no do it.
Probably because of time needed in programming/writing etc.
But this sounds much better than a 4 repetative bar sequence pattern.
Jon
uk

Thank you paoloaccordion for asking Ketron.
Is there still and Fratelli Crosio factory in Castlefararo?
The Crosio shop closed in Paris about 5 years ago
jon
UK

Ok so very soon next week.
jon

So when is Musikmesse 2013 exactly
jon

This may be a useful tool for hearing chords. You do not need to download anything simply use on line.
http://www.randomchord.com
Welcome to the RandomChord.com Chord Generator

A useful resource for all musicians — improvisers can make sure they can play over any harmony; songwriters can find that elusive lost chord to complete their chord progression.

Each chord comes with its own looped backing track and an explanation of the scale choices that fit with it.

Choose a chord from the drop down menus and click 'Go', or click 'Random' to have a random chord generated for you.
http://www.randomchord.com

WE WILL WAIT

pax externa
SD1000 has USB also and I think two sound generator chips for 32 midi channels.
This unit may be expensive for what we get but it will probably be 1/6th cost of a full midi Audya workstation.
It is also probably the in top 3 sound modules available in the world.
Also Marcello Colo says to me ''SD 1000 will be on market ..soonest ...just a bit of time to delivery on differents country
Please be patient ........''

jon

Dan
If SD1000 has a USB connection will we connect to computer only with a USB cable therefor NOT needing a midi cable/interface unlesss connecting to other midi devices?
jon

Dennis
if th SD2 in Australia (oz) is 700 dollars then I think Sd1000 will be nearly double
When the SD2 first came to UK it was £500 GBP Now it is £251 GBP.
I guess the SD1000 will be around £600 GBP . But I hope Im wrong and its cheaper. I dont think less than £500 GBP.........
jon
uk 

dan
So how many tracks will a midi file play 16 or 32

The SD1000 info says 32 midi channels (2x16)
Midi files are normally 16 channels
Does this mean SD100 can play 32 midi channels from midi files?
jon   

THOMANN in Germany sell SD2 cheap for GBP £251
they were £299 about a week ago . maybe thay know something and need to get their old SD2 stock away for the new SD1000 arrival
So Im thinking SD1000 will cost GBP £500-600
jon


http://www.thomann.de/gb/ketron_sd_2.htm
jon

Angel1000
so who is  marcello, the musician who did the demo.
I like the human voices.
Really wanted the human voices sounds for about 2 years now
So do we expect the cost of SD1000 to be approx. double the price of the SD2?
jon

Any news
I heard it is coming in the about 2 months
jon

Angel1000
Dan suggested same as I suggested, that you try the LIVE DRUM BANKS instruments in track 9 till you hear the right sound then save.
I dont really follow what you are talking about with AUDIO loops. I thought all loops in styles and pats. are midi loops with Ketron.
I think newer Audya and Tyros use audio loops but not earlier ketron or vArranger in patterns and styles loops??   
Hope you can fix your crash problem. Maybe a firmware update will help this but Dan knows more about this stuff??
jon
uk

I never replied as I was buzy making nusic all week. Now I am on a weekend break (first in months) so I have no Ketron/SD2 to test your patterns.
However from experence I usually select the precussion drums track (so its colour is red)  and audition all the available prec. live drum sets and standard drum sets until i hear one that plays the way I think  it should then save the pattern/style in varranger for future use.
I do not see a merengue gtr in the guitat lists but again try all the gtrs till it soulds righy and save the style.
If this is does not help it may be thet the drums need some re-mapping within v arrranger which needs some re-programming by Dan?
jon
uk

Dan,
I have EMC Styleworks but never really tested it in detail as my first attempt was not very accurate .
Maybe it will work on more simple styles or needs more editing as shown on detailed youtube link below.
jon

EMC Styleworks 2000 Midi to style Tutorial http://www.tyrosmania.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOpeR9GYlb0

Dan
in next version can we have more than ona page of 16 markers.
jon

Please confirm that the MY SOUNDS only apply to STYLE playing and not midi file/karaoke playing?
jon

dan,
How is this copy song chord idea coming as I am still, waiting for this now urgently please.
I asked for this 6 months ago and still really need to have this.
jon

Dan,
If we are using midi files with lyrics and need to learn/practice/rehearse the phrasing of singing/playing, we need to hear the areas/bars that are difficult to play/sing many times in a loop.  from eg bars 8 to 12, 18 to 20, 65 to 72 etc.
We could make markers but this would take a lot of time and would not be needed after the song is mastered. Also you would not know in advance where there are difficult parts to learn for intense practice. 
Also we may need many markers for many different parts but there is a limit of 16 markers. Also markers do not run in loops.
The small bar counter does not accurately replay from precise bar numbers and is difficult to click on the bar required for repetative playing from same part.
Suggestion- If we were using the small bar counter withan new option of left click to display start and end bar measure numbers and also have a loop on/off option we could practice accurate bar numbers to midi files that way.     
jon

Dan
I have an idea what this LED will do but can you explain in more detail as I am not too clear?
I only have the Nano controller MK1 first original.
Maybe it does not support your LED communication?
jon

alain
I have the Musictech MT 60
You can configure as follows..............
HOW TO SET UP THE MT 60 CHROMATIC KEYBOARD
This MT 60 Chromatic Keyboard has very sensitive independent dynamic control on both Right and
Left Hands. The keyboards can be set up in several different configurations for both the Right and
Left hands as follows.
RIGHT HAND KEYBOARD (Chromatic) - MIDI TRANSMISSION on Channels 1 and 4
C Griff: C in first row
B Griff: C in second row
C in third row
LEFT HAND KEYBOARD (Bass and Chords)
- CHORDS MIDI TRANSMISSION on Channels 2 and 1 (can be added)
- BASS MIDI TRANSMISSION on Channel 3
In International, Belgian, Dutch or French system.
PRIMARY SWITCHING "ON" STAGES
The keyboard system programming stages are accessed when switching the instrument "On".
To enter the setup mode of the keyboard, two buttons are used:
- one on the chromatic Right Hand keyboard (button 1) - see Fig. 1.
- one on the Bass and Chords Left Hand keyboard (button 2) - see Fig. 2.
Hold these buttons down (shown by the arrows) while switching the instrument "On".
N.B. - Decide what setup you want for both Right and Left keyboards before beginning the
procedure below, because the useful time for each operation is just 3 seconds from when the first
two buttons are released.
The instrument, will confirm the programming done by sounding a note.
PROGRAMMING THE SYSTEM FOR THE RIGHT HAND KEYBOARD
After the primary switching "On" stages described in the previous paragraph, select the system
required by referring to Fig. 1 and following the instructions below.
To select C Griff (C in first row): press button A on Rt. Hand Keyboard.
To select B Griff (C in second row): press button B on Rt. Hand Keyboard.
(C in third row): press button C on Rt. Hand Keyboard.
RIGHT HAND DYNAMICS - The button dynamics on the Right Hand keyboard can be selected in
"On" or "Off" by referring to Fig. 1 and proceeding as follows:
Right Hand Dynamics active - press button D (Right Hand keyboard - chromatic).
Right Hand Dynamics not active - press button E (Right Hand keyboard - chromatic).
HOW TO SELECT THE OCTAVE OF THE NOTES ON THE RIGHT HAND (FOR ALL SYSTEMS)
The octave for the notes of the Right Hand keyboard can be set to a maximum of +/- 2 octaves by
pressing specific buttons listed below:
For Midi Channel 1:
Press button N on the keyboard (see Fig. 1 above) to lower the notes by 1 octave at a time.
Press button O on the keyboard to raise the notes by 1 octave at a time.
For Midi Channel 4:
Press button P on the keyboard (see Fig. 1 above) to lower the notes by 1 octave at a time.
Press button Q on the keyboard to raise the notes by 1 octave at a time.
PROGRAMMING THE SYSTEM FOR THE LEFT HAND KEYBOARD
The method used for the selection of the Left Hand keyboard system is similar to that of the Right Hand.
After the primary switching "On" stages described on the previous page and following any other
programming if this was necessary, select the system required on the Left Hand keyboard by referring
to Fig. 2 and following the instructions below.
Remember that all settings, in any of the sections below, must be made within 3 secs of the previous
one, therefore it may be necessary to restart the instrument, repeating the primary switching "On"
stages, if this time is exceeded.
TO SELECT:
International System (2 rows of Bass and 4 rows of Chords): Press button F on Left Hand keyboard.
Belgian System: Press button G on Left Hand keyboard.
Dutch System: - button H on Left Hand keyboard.
French System: - button I on Left Hand keyboard.
The Left Hand keyboard will now have been programmed for the system selected.
LEFT HAND DYNAMICS - The button dynamics on the Left Hand keyboard can be selected in "On"
or "Off" as follows:
Left Hand Dynamics active - press button L (Left Hand keyboard - Bass and Chords).
Left Hand Dynamics not active - press button M (Left Hand keyboard - Bass and Chords).
HOW TO SELECT THE OCTAVE OF THE CHORDS ON THE LEFT HAND (FOR ALL SYSTEMS)
The octave for the chords of the Left Hand keyboard can be set to a maximum of +/- 2 octaves by
pressing specific buttons listed below:
For Midi Channel 2:
Press button R on the keyboard (see Fig. 2 above) to lower the notes by 1 octave at a time.
Press button S on the keyboard to raise the notes by 1 octave at a time.
For Midi Channel 1:
Press button T on the keyboard (see Fig. 2 above) to lower the notes by 1 octave at a time.
Press button U on the keyboard to raise the notes by 1 octave at a time.
ON/OFF FOR ADDITIONAL CHORDS TRANSMISSION ON MIDI CHANNEL 1
The chords transmit on Midi channel 2 by default but the instrument provides for the addition of
Midi transmission on channel 1 also. This function allows a second sound to be controlled from the
chords section (a string backing for example).
To activate/deactivate Midi channel 1, do as follows:
1. Press the first button F (see Fig. 1 above) in the first row on the Left Hand Keyboard;
2. Press the second button G in the same row, while keeping the first button pressed;
3. Press the third button H in the same row, while keeping the first and second buttons pressed;
4. A Led will indicate that Midi Channel 1 activated (LED ON) or deactivated (LED OFF

Novation ZeRO SL MkII USB MIDI Controller Seems to have more than the Nano Kontroller for those who need this DAW unit
jon

Dennis
lets hope we get this "expand" feature in next upgrade
jon

Terry
This is 120 bass buttons on left and 5 rows chromatic on right side.
It is the same as a button accordion (without the bellows) for those who want to play midi accordion as a keyboard and have a more up to date image.
jon
uk

Dan
I could not live without vArranger. lol
Using a laptop rather than an external standalone arranger (previously Solton MS40 then Ketron SD3)
is never going to be outdated or superceeded.
You will always updaye and upgrade vArranger with new features and ideas that are needed.
what more can we ask?
As long as there is a good sound module like my Ketron SD2. 
jon
uk

Pictures from my set up tonight at a club.
jon
uk

Lionel
the blow up list is also a good idea when you need to see more or everything in same folder for if you are not sure exactly what you want to play next or you need to be flexible in some way.
A playlist is good when you are able to stick to the pre-planned program order.
But as we know its difficult to know what, when and how a audience are going to react to certain songs, rhythms and gendres etc. 
jon 

   lubobul
you probably already have a laptop.
vArranger is more flexible and you can have back up if breakdown . You cannot afford to have 2xKorg for backup.
jon

I look forward to that
WHEN?
Pre -prepared playlists are also good and I will look forward to use this but sometimes we need to be more flexible and change our minds on mext song because of dancers/crows reactions etc.
Is there flexibility in new playlist feature that you are making.
jon

Dan
For live playing I think it would be good if the users could have some flexibility in the layout and size of boxes and text for some information to help users aged over 40 whose eyes commonly start to have difficulty in reading. Also for us to be able to see more information at one time rather than scroll through as many pages when looking at list of midi/karaoke files and patches/sounds etc. It is usefull to view more playlist files at one time to see a larger list for faster and more overview.   
My interest is mainly for midi file/karaoke use but this suggestion could also be applied to other functions to help others for their specific needs and uses. I suggest (as example) that I need to see more midi files names currently displayed from top to bottom in the top left side.     
At present we can only see 10 at one time but if you are playing and need to choose the next song (or unexpectedly a third song etc. to keep dancers on floor) scrolling through the pages within same folder is difficult at same time as playing/singing.
When playing midi files/karaole the areas with "My Sounds" and "Voice" are not really needed. I suggest that we can drag, move or open the midi files list to overlay the "My Sounds" and "Voice" which are unused areas during midi file playing. You would then be able to see 40 midi files at one look. Also with an option to stretch the size of the dragged/overlayed folders to make them larger and easier to read. So you could stretch the folder sizes over "My Sounds" and "Voice" and see 20 double size midi file folders (or 40 at current size).  Im sure you know how this is applied in other projects witha small symbol in the corner providing a drop down menu of various options (drag and font size etc. ). I think stretching the files area and the boxes "fitting to size" would be good. Allowing users to have some control of the layout to suit their needs would be more flexible.
I would also like the midi file counter measure bar to be able to be expanded and showing the remaining total measures in the midi file as well as the measure actually in play. In live playing it is useful to have an idea of remaining midi file play time measures to decide whether to cut a song short or let it finish itself if not many dancers are on the floor etc.  What do you think Dan.
Jon
Uk

where did you buy and what country
If it is only about 3 weeks old you should be able to say the exact purchase date?
jon

dan
I am happy with the present arrangement of folders to store styles and midi files.
But I have recently had to vary my style of music and venues to widen my musical horizons as work is getting harder to find with financial cut backs at many current venues that I play.
Anyway I have been finding that the need for pre-prepared MIDI FILE/SONG CHORD playlists would also be a useful feature in vArranger.
The playlists would need to be able to be arranged in actual playing (set list) order and not alphabetically.
This way similar midi file rhythms/beat/gendre/tempos etc could be chained together in a pre determined playlist order.
To make a playlist in non alphabetical order would need to be without adding a number before the song mane (as at present) as this would also affect the current song folders lists which are still needed and I find a great and accurate system.
We would also need auto-play option (on/off) between songs and shuffle feature in playlists.
Maybe playlist folders could be in the "My Songs" folder area indicated by red coloured folders.   
jon
uk

Dan
Can you reply to above post
jon

I am happy with the present arrangement of folders to store styles and midi files.
But I have recently had to vary my style of music and venues to widen my musical horizons as work is getting harder to find with financial cut backs at many current venues that I play.
Anyway I have been finding that the need for pre-prepared MIDI FILE/SONG CHORD playlists would also be a useful feature in vArranger.
The playlists would need to be able to be arranged in actual playing (set list) order and not alphabetically.
This way similar midi file rhythms/beat/gendre/tempos etc could be chained together in a pre determined playlist order.
To make a playlist in non alphabetical order would need to be without adding a number before the song mane (as at present) as this would also affect the current song folders lists which are still needed and I find a great and accurate system.
We would also need auto-play option (on/off) between songs and shuffle feature in playlists.
Maybe playlist folders could be in the "My Songs" folder area indicated by red coloured folders.   
jon 
uk
   

It would be good but I do not think it is needed for the more basic situations.
Thanks
jon 

Tidom
I forgot to say thanks for the info
jon

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pax_eterna
Cool. I sometimes explain more than needed. lol
jon

pax_eterna
I play for ballroom/latin and sequence dancing 3-4 times a week often to the same dancers who attend all dances.
(Some of these dancers also go to other dances every day).
This requires many hundreds/thousands of songs. Normally a 5 minute dance will need 6  songs because I make things hard for myself by not repeating a standard 32 bar song and making medleys of 3x32 bar songs with 3 different songs in same medley. Then on the second dance another 3x32 bar medley.
In a 2 hour gig I will go through about 120 songs this way. Now my repertoire is over 3000 songs.
There is no way my memory will remember all the chords to play on my left hand to this amount of songs so this is where I export the vArranger "song chords" into a midi file, add additional custom accompanyments tracks etc Then play the melody or singing accompany to them with karaoke lyrics added. This year I have been learning /making song chords for about 6 songs a week = about 200 this year so far.
So for me 6 songs a week becomes too much to remember so I use VA song chords midi file export feature.
Thanks for this Dan . But now you give me more work because I like the new markers function, but I need to add them to me existing old files.   
I already only sleep 4-5 hours.
jon
 

Dan
can you make this function.
jon

Very expensive at $1999.
The effects may be more usefull in a studio.
Liked the bagpipes.
jon

Dan
I like your recent addition of the midi file markers feature.
Is there any possibility that these can also be added during the composing of the song chords function.
So when we make song chords we can add a marker that can then be exported into a midi file.
ie
If we are making song chords to export them into midi files function and we also want a markers function it will be much easier adding them into the required song chord bar numbers before the song chord is exported into a midi file.
Then the midi file can be opened with markers already in place?
jon     
uk

Hope things work out Dene.
jon

Thanks I will if I have any security issues .
jon

Point taken and everybody here has my respect as valued musicians with irreplaceable knowlege.
For me trust is not an issue here as I have nothing to hide or of any interest to anyone other than my music content.
However it sounds as if you guys know more about the insides of a computer than me so any info on what type of files and info would be of interest to others would be interesting. 
Jon 

all the best Dean
jon

I have allowed Dan to access my computer several times and completely trust Dan for this purpose.
I saw his every move and any file/folder he needed to access or view live on my screen.
I am sure Dan is more than buzy with the continual ongoing vArranger evolution etc. and has no intention, interest ot time in what files and information I or we have on our computers.
By the way, it is common worldwide practice to be asked to return faulty items (USB pen drive) before replacement is made.
Just my view on this.
Jon
UK

Be aware of the SD2 reverb levels.
Listening with earphones or with a small PA in your house the SD2 reverb seems too much or more than needed .
But when in a live public situation - large hall, club of bar etc I can hardly hear the same reverb levels.
eg . On the lead melody track - I have this set to Arena with maximum reverb level and could still ask for more if it were possible.
The reverb is hardly noticeable yet with earphones the reverb would be ok about half the level. 
jon
UK

john,
Be aware of the SD2 reverb levels.
Listening with earphones or with a small PA in your house the SD2 reverb seems too much or more than needed .
But when in a live public situation - large hall, club of bar etc I can hardly hear the same reverb levels.
eg . On the lead melody track - I have this set to Arena with maximum reverb level and could still ask for more if it were possible.
The reverb is hardly noticeable yet with earphones the reverb would be ok about half the level. 
jon
UK

is there anybody with MusicTech MT-60 chromatic keyboard.
Should the small red light in the middle be on when in use?
jon
uk

est ce qu'il ya quelqu'un avec clavier MusicTech MT-60 chromatique.
Si la petite lumière rouge au milieu est allumé lorsque l'utilisation?

is there anybody with MusicTech MT-60 chromatic keyboard.
Should the small red light in the middle be on when in use?
jon
uk

Brian
How are you trying to open the roland styles.
You should be using varranger to open them initially through the VArranger LOAD procedure.
Roland styles are nothing to do with Microsoft  Windows  applications.
jon

OK thats simple.
I am short of USB from my laptop will a 4 way port hub work and would the hub need to be powered.
Alternatavely I could share the hub with a 25 key keyboard controller (ie. Alesis QX25 when this new model is released at end of August) ? 
jon

Dan
How do you make the midi interface cable connection to use the optional 2nd midi out to another external midi sound module/midi keyboard?
Is there a special midi cable for two midi outputs?
jon   

Dan
Thanks.
I realise that this was not a big problem but a little frustrating when doing many hours song chord writing.
jon   

Dan
A good solution.
This again shows the brilliant and ongoing versatility of vArranger. 
However you got me thinking if I could avoid the renaming.
Rather than the slight effort of renaming the "ini" files for different set ups - here is a suggestion.
If I created two new FOLDERS (not files) within the vArrangerdata folder and as you suggested I will name one FOLDER "vArranger2-ACC.ini" and the other FOLDER "vArranger2-KEYB.ini".
In each folder I would have the relevant version of the same name "ini" file for each controllers set up option.
I would then simply drag the ini file out of the relevant ini folders into the vArranger data folder as needed for each set up.
So all that I will need to do is drag the "ini" file as needed depending on my set up for that gig.
I am aware that having two "ini" files with the same name will require greater care to avoid confusion.
Jon     

What is the best way to have two different instances/scenes of controllers set up.
Ie. I have Two different kontroller units but need same controlls over VA.
Depending on the gig I will use one or the other controller units. (not both together)
Ie. for set up scene  ONE = NanoKontroller with midi accordion.
alternative
Set up TWO = Roland midi controller keyboard with accordion.
jon

Dan
I need the song chord transpose feature to work for part of a song.
At present  it is only possible to transpose by +/- 1 per time.
At present you cannot select eg  bars 91-119 to transpose by + 3.
You can repeat the process but the selected bars (eg 91-119) do not remain selected to repeat the process.
In a song chord with 190 bars (medley) this is frustrating process re-selecting.

Also slightly frustrating is re-sizing the song chord view changes the bar positions back to the bar 1 at the beginning.

jon

Maybe I also dont understand but.
I dont really think the your footpedals sends sysex messages.
They send small power/current changes to make a switsh open/closed for fills?
I think you need anothe rUSB pedal device for fills.
Analogue to USB conversion pedals are discussed in another thread in this forum group. 
jon
uk

GNMidi software has a simple way of inserting lyrics line by line .
I usually make each line 4-6 words long.
You syncronise each line of text to the song tempo by simply pressing the PC spacebar each time a new line of text is to be displayed during the song play. This GNMidi procedure is then saved and vArranger will then display syncronised text in when the saved midi file is played.
The midi file could simply consist of accompanyment chords with relevant song text which is same as a vArranger "song chords".

jon
   

Salut
si quelqu'un a le clavier ci-dessus peut vous s'il vous plaît entrer en contact avec moi, car je voudrais vous poser quelques questions car je suis intéressé par l'achat de cette.
jon
Royaume-Uni