Latency problems with ver 1.16 on MS Surface Tablet

[stevehd]

Can anyone advise how to adjust the latency when using the MS GS Wavetable synth option?  I have ASIO4all driver installed on the tablet but ver 1.16 does not seem to recognize it when opening the options/midiport menu.  It only shows the MS GS wavetable synth or a hard wired midi interface. The ASIO driver is recognized when using other VST apps so I know it is working.   THanks

[nakeyer]

Please take a look into private messages!...

[Dan]

Please buy vArranger and don't use not legal software
The new version is a lot better and without latency with the internal synth

[nakeyer]

Seems Steve have a problem with ASIO4ALL and MS GS Wavetable... Let him choose by himself what synth to use!...

[Dan]

I have worked 15 years to create a good vArranger software, and I am not happy when someone is using my software without buying it from me. This is even not legal.
We will not help such users here

[v.muller]

I would understand if someone wanted to try the program first before purchasing the official version, especially if there is no official demo or light version. Perhaps the existence of a free version with limited functionality could attract more new users. Similar to Avid Sibelius First, for example.

[nakeyer]

I have worked 15 years to create a good vArranger software, and I am not happy when someone is using my software without buying it from me. This is even not legal.
We will not help such users here

I have no any claims to your vArranger, but - again!!! The question was about latency in ASIO drivers!!! Be calm!! Seems you have a very sore imagination!....
And for "muller" - I think you are absolutely right! It's strange to pay money for .. a pig in a poke.

[DjTony1981]

I have a vArranger license since 2017, the only flaw is the poor updating. Dan (or whoever) does not seem to have any more desire to integrate new features, the project seems to have run aground now (not to say abandoned).

[agaton]

Buy software and be happy !!! vArranger² is one very professional program, not a joke and this prehistorical  version 1.16 is maybe 1/16 from actual version. How to explain to you what's wrong with your configuration with ASIO4all drivers and vArranger², when this version 1.16 has only little bit structure and functions from actual vArranger² ? vArranger² is so complex, stable and good, that we make hardware Workstation and Arranger based on vArranger². It is the newest project:

[haweneu]

Hi Agaton,
very good News From you!

Has your TRANSAUDIO WA-L2 an enhanced Version of the new VA2?

Best regards
Werner

[agaton]

It has the last version of vArranger². I am a Premium User all this years (50€ pro year) to be always up to date with the last software version, and it is full normally by the most software producers. TRANSAUDIO WA-L2 is one "Kraftpaket" with most powerful and last generation of CPUs, memory and storage, on specially configured Audio Windows, what is the most important thing for one Windows based musical instrument. In one word, it is one musical instrument (not computer) for professional use on stage or in studio.

[haweneu]

Hi,
I understand! I use VA2 with my WERSI Spectra (with diy switches and potentiometer for VA2 in Front of lower manual = See attached picture) as Masterkeyboard and an Asus Vivo Pc Core i5. Sounds only generated with SD1000 and V3Sonority XXL Hardwaremodules. You Wrote in your picture of TRANSAUDIO WA-L2 that VA2 Play Audio Loop Styles. But VA 2 cannot Play this Type of Styles like Ketron Event, or I am wrong?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Werner

[agaton]

I wrote that TRANSAUDIO WA-L2 can play Audio Loops (and Styles from vArranger2 with Audio Loops) !!!

[haweneu]

Hello,
Sorry, but i dont know Styles for vArranger2 that have Audio Loops integrated.

Can you please explain Details?

Best regards
Werner

[nakeyer]

It has the last version of vArranger². I am a Premium User all this years (50€ pro year) to be always up to date with the last software version, and it is full normally by the most software producers. TRANSAUDIO WA-L2 is one "Kraftpaket" with most powerful and last generation of CPUs, memory and storage, on specially configured Audio Windows, what is the most important thing for one Windows based musical instrument. In one word, it is one musical instrument (not computer) for professional use on stage or in studio.

Wow! Now - can you make something like that with GigLad arranger (...)?

[agaton]

Hi,
I understand! I use VA2 with my WERSI Spectra (with diy switches and potentiometer for VA2 in Front of lower manual = See attached picture) as Masterkeyboard and an Asus Vivo Pc Core i5. Sounds only generated with SD1000 and V3Sonority XXL Hardwaremodules. You Wrote in your picture of TRANSAUDIO WA-L2 that VA2 Play Audio Loop Styles. But VA 2 cannot Play this Type of Styles like Ketron Event, or I am wrong?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Werner

TRANSAUDIO WA_L2 nutzt nur software Sound Engine, neben den Dans fabelhaften Genos 2 Sound Bank, da ist noch ein grosses SF2 Sound Pack (über 15GB samples) und verschiedene VST Instrumente. Nur das besste Computer hardware konfiguration ist gut genug (die neueste Intel Ultra 9 CPU Reihe, 5TB schnellsten NVM speicher Gen5 mit 14.000MB/sec, 96GB DDR5 PC6400 Arbeitsspeicher). Operative System ist ein Audio Windows 11 64Bit speziell bis zum kleinsten Detail, für Audio konfiguriert. Auch Audio Interface ist sehr "schnell". Nur so kann es mit kleinsten Latenz (0,7ms bis 1,4ms) gearbeitet werden, was für Live Gigs ein muss ist. vArranger spielt Styles änlich allen anderen hardware Keyboards, nur mit mehr zehr nützlichen Funktionen, aber Arranger hat nichts mit dem Audio Loops zu tun, das ist genau so bei hardware Keyboards. Dafür ist nur Sound Engine zuständig. Ein Style ist nur eine Gruppe kurzen Midi Sequenzen die Noten On/Off, Midi Controller und SysEx daten abspielt. Für Audio Loops sind, wie gesagt, Sound Engine in diesem Fall VST Instrumenten, zuständig !!! vArranger ist ein fabelhafte software arranger der ohne kleinsten Fehller sein Job macht, nur es soll richtig und voll ausgenützt werden.

Wow! Now - can you make something like that with GigLad arranger ?

Bis vArranger ein Style Editor bekommt, kann es ein Software Yamaha Style Editor genutzt werden, übrigens der besste Style Editor den ich unter händen hatte "StyleMagic YA". Wir haben Giglad und haben ausführlich getestet, es ist Software noch im Entwicklung und ist, vor allem, für Live Gigs, nicht reif genug.

[agaton]

My mistake, it was in German.

Hi,
I understand! I use VA2 with my WERSI Spectra (with diy switches and potentiometer for VA2 in Front of lower manual = See attached picture) as Masterkeyboard and an Asus Vivo Pc Core i5. Sounds only generated with SD1000 and V3Sonority XXL Hardwaremodules. You Wrote in your picture of TRANSAUDIO WA-L2 that VA2 Play Audio Loop Styles. But VA 2 cannot Play this Type of Styles like Ketron Event, or I am wrong?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Werner

TRANSAUDIO WA-L2 uses only a software sound engine. In addition to Dan's fabulous Genos 2 sound bank, there's also a large SF2 sound pack (over 15GB of samples) and various VST instruments. Only the best computer hardware configuration will suffice (the latest Intel Ultra 9 CPU series, 5TB of the fastest Gen5 NVM storage with 14,000MB/sec, 96GB DDR5 PC6400 memory). The operating system is a Windows 11 64-bit audio system, configured down to the smallest detail for audio. The audio interface is also very "fast." This is the only way to operate with minimal latency (0.7ms or 1.4ms), which is a must for live gigs. vArranger plays styles similar to any other hardware keyboard, only with more useful features. However, the Arranger has nothing to do with audio loops, it's the same with hardware keyboards. That's the responsibility of the Sound Engine alone. A style is simply a group of short MIDI sequences that play note on/off, MIDI controllers, and SysEx data. As mentioned, sound engine, in this case VST instrument, are responsible for the audio loops. vArranger is a fantastic software arranger that does its job flawlessly; it just needs to be used correctly and to its full potential.

Wow! Now - can you make something like that with GigLad arranger ?

Until vArranger gets a style editor, you can use a software Yamaha style editor. The best style editor I've ever used is "StyleMagic YA". We have Giglad and it is a software still under development and isn't quite ready for live gigs.

[nakeyer]

Do you think it is really a good idea to delete my messages?? Oh, yes! I know such kind of "democracy"     

[Dan]

Even in a good democracy, it not very nice to enter into a restaurant and declare to people sitting there that there is another better restaurant elsewhere.
I tried to explain.
Maybe you can understand, maybe not ? 
Again, we are here in the official forum of vArranger.

[nakeyer]

Simply here some of us don't like your сooking!     

[haweneu]

Hi Agaton,
You are Right. Audio Loops with VA2 can be played with MIDI Trigger of single Audio Sounds (some MIDI Notes triggers some Audiosamples at the Same Time), but not transposed dependend of the played Chord! But this is not the Same as with Ketron Event with Real Audio Tracks for Drums, Bass and Chords, special for Rythm Guitars. This uses for Guitars sampled chords as Audio Base and play then this in some Variations Like Major, Minor, Seventh  ...... For this you need much more Audio Samples for all Chord Variations!

I use the V3Sonority soundmodule for playing sampled Guitar chords with my Midi accordion. This has separate midi notes for Major, Minor, seventh and dimishned chords! And this function cannot used with VA2! But it Sounds much better than an Midi triggered Chord with 4 separate Guitar samples.

Best regards
Werner

[v.muller]

Newer generation Yamaha arrangers (Genos, Tyros5, PSR S950/970/975, PSR SX900) can use Audio Styles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDvZDPfCmPU&ab_channel=CaspertutorSynth
That wouldn't be a bad add-on for vArranger. But it's probably more advanced technology.

[agaton]

...But this is not the Same as with Ketron Event with Real Audio Tracks for Drums, Bass and Chords, special for Rythm Guitars. This uses for Guitars sampled chords as Audio Base and play then this in some Variations Like Major, Minor, Seventh  ...... For this you need much more Audio Samples for all Chord Variations!

I use the V3Sonority soundmodule for playing sampled Guitar chords with my Midi accordion. This has separate midi notes for Major, Minor, seventh and dimishned chords! And this function cannot used with VA2! But it Sounds much better than an Midi triggered Chord with 4 separate Guitar samples...

That's exactly what the TRANSAUDIO WA-L2 does. There are several VST MIDI plugins, VST instruments, and even MIDI processing applications that use scripting, which makes it very easy to do exactly what you can do with, for example, a V3 Sound Sonority or Accordion Master XXL and a MIDI accordion or a whole series of Ketron keyboards. This means there aren't just three, four, or five MIDI notes, but audio cords or audio Loops in various octaves for major, minor, seventh, dim, etc., which are then played when major, minor, seventh, or other chords come from the style in the vArranger, and in terms of audio loops, they are synchronized with tempo by vArranger². It's a bit better than with Ketron keyboards, especially with fill-ins, where Ketron still has a few little problems. The scripting mentioned above, is very powerful and can do almost unbelievable things.

[haweneu]

Hi Agaton,
does your Midi Script Analyse the notes played From VA2 on MIDI Channel ,,Chords" and then triggers the One-Note Message with related Audiocord. For example  when VA2 sends the Notes C,E,G then your Script sends the Special Midi Note (Single Note on,Off) for triggering the Cord ,,c Major" in V3 Accordionmaster XXL?
I own V3 Accordionmaster XXL, V3 Sonority XXl and V3 Grandpiano, because I developed some ting's for V3 Sound!
If this is your Solution, What program Runs the Midi Script?
You Must read the Midi Output of VA2! Then Analyse and send it to midi out for the soundmodule or a VST.

Are there vst Instruments in the market that Play with 1 ,,MIDI Noten on,Off" a Audio-samplechord in Major, Minor..?

Best regards
Werner

[Woge1000]

Hi Dan, is there an update from Genos1 to Genos2?
Regards, Wolfgang

[Dan]

Not yet, I don't have a Genos 2
I have a PA5X

[agaton]

Are there vst Instruments in the market that Play with 1 ,,MIDI Noten on,Off" a Audio-samplechord in Major, Minor..?

Yes, if we're talking about VST instruments, for example NI Kontakt. There are not Midi Processing script but scripts for NI Kontakt. We've developed scripts for Kontakt where you don't just press a specific key, it then triggers major, minor, etc. That's the easiest way, many VST instruments can do that. Much better, this script for NI Kontakt recognizes the chord you've played with your left hand and immediately plays the real (sampled) chord. It doesn't matter if it's major, minor, 7th, 6th, dim, etc., it plays the real audio chord. In short, it recognizes the fingered chord and plays the audio chord that's sampled in NI Kontakt at a specific octave.
And not only that, but also via velocity switch you can create different variations of audio chords, fast or slow strumming, short or long chords... etc. Prerequisite is that all these chords are available as audio chords in instrument from NI Kontakt.